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This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!

If you like what you hear join us in our That’s Not How That Works facebook group to continue the conversation!
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That's Not How That Works Trudi & Weeze

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    • 4.9 • 267 Ratings

This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!

If you like what you hear join us in our That’s Not How That Works facebook group to continue the conversation!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Enjoy the Show!

    Ep. 99.5: Protect Your Peace This Holiday Season (minisode)

    Ep. 99.5: Protect Your Peace This Holiday Season (minisode)

    Hey y’all! Today, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you a special minisode before we break for the holidays. Listen in for what we’re celebrating as we wrap up 2021, what we’d love for you this holiday season, and how to prioritize your most important relationship.

    • 16 min
    Ep. 99: More on Social Justice Charlatans

    Ep. 99: More on Social Justice Charlatans

    We just got done with Thanksgiving, and with it comes talk online of the need to “decolonize” the holiday, ditch the turkey, potatoes and get togethers and just make it a normal day. So y’all, it’s time to have a discussion of the tradition of Thanksgiving in the US, because although we aren’t arguing about the history of the holiday, we shouldn’t be throwing the whole tradition away.

    Join us in this episode for a breakdown of what parts are actually really important to melanated folks and those with marginalized identities, why we CAN’T actually decolonize the holiday, the healing elements to be found here, and what we think we should be doing instead of opting out of the whole thing.

    We’re exploring:
    -Something that really irks Trudi and why it’s NOT helpful when you do it
    -THIS practice that’s the main way you can spot the commodification of social justice
    -Why the advice to totally opt out of all Thanksgiving traditions is not only not helpful, but harmful (and what to do instead)
    -The reason that the BLM movement, anti-racism work, and anti-oppression work thrived during the pandemic
    -How illuminating something and shaming are different and where they’re similar (and why you need to be aware of this fine line!)
    -The difference between disruption and agitation and why it’s important to understand what these REALLY mean
    -And more!


    Grab your spot for the first LIVE That’s Not How That Works workshop in 2 years! The Commodification of Social Justice: https://weeze.teachable.com/p/cosj

    Follow us on Instagram:
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    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 42 min
    Ep. 98: Stop Doing THIS in Your Marketing

    Ep. 98: Stop Doing THIS in Your Marketing

    Wanna know what’s really been chapping our asses lately?! In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are unpacking the issue happening way too frequently online: the serious misuse of this work as a part of social media or email marketing strategies to sell shit to people. Ready for a “come to Beyoncé” moment here? Then listen in, because we’re breaking it all down for you and bringing you what this looks like, who’s doing it (it’s not just white folks!), and 3 things to watch out for online before deciding to work with someone in this space.

    We’re exploring:
    Where we see this happening and why it’s so important to be on the lookout for it
    The appropriate and RIGHT way to do this work
    What you need to do before you can really step into the role of an expert
    The classic weapon of whiteness that some melanated folks are using, where it comes from, and why it needs to stop
    THESE words y’all need to stop using interchangeably (and why it matters)
    If the very first thing that comes out of someone’s mouth is THIS…it’s a big ass red flag
    A nifty list of previous episodes for you to dig deeper and get a full understanding of all of these things

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 53 min
    Ep. 97: The Power of Coming Home

    Ep. 97: The Power of Coming Home

    It’s that time of year again....and we don’t mean Christmas. With Halloween just a couple of weeks behind us and Thanksgiving around the corner, it’s time to dive back into the conversation around these holidays and break down some shit for y’all.

    In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down Halloween costumes and cultural appropriation, the ways white supremacy has harmed phenotypically white as well as marginalized folks, and what can happen when you make the effort to reconnect to where your ancestors came from.

    We’re exploring:
    Where cultural appropriation stems from
    The psychological and emotional resource that you lose when you trade in your ethnicity for whiteness
    What happens when you don’t have a connection to culture, history or family
    The question you should be asking yourself if you wanted to be one of THESE things for Halloween
    An opportunity for you to start unpacking some of this and help you start reconnecting to your actual ethnic identity
    A reframe for you about Thanksgiving
    The ways generational trauma affects more people than you’d think
    And more!

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 42 min
    Ep. 96: Send Your Corporate Trauma Down the River

    Ep. 96: Send Your Corporate Trauma Down the River

    Someone hits you up and says, “Hey, can we talk real quick?” What comes up for you? If immediate fear hits that you’re about to have the worst possible conversation ever, that’s from corporate trauma (and you’re not alone!)

    We’ve all probably had “that talk” with a superior, or been put on blast for being 5 minutes late, or seen someone take the credit for someone else’s idea when we’ve worked in the corporate world, right? But it’s time to start ditching that corporate trauma, and in this episode Trudi & Weeze are breaking down what that actually means, how it shows up in our businesses, and how to avoid continuing the trauma into another job or your own business.

    We’re exploring:
    How our insecurities around our roles in the corporate space affect how we collaborate with others
    All the things that are affected by corporate trauma
    How we are doing business differently
    ONE thing that is imperative to avoiding continuing the trauma when you are an entrepreneur
    What our non-oppressive business practices look like
    A sneak peak behind the scenes of our hiring process and how we run our businesses
    And more!

    Go back and listen to these episodes for more on this topic:

    Ep. 18: Protect Your Peace! https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep18?si=1eb7efb47c9b4b26a0a5d48d498968d4

    Ep. 63: People or Profit? https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-63-people-or-profit?si=6e4605192fb7415f9a6e15a8ca531b8a

    Ep. 72: Before We Lead, We Must Heal w/ Greg Wieting https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-72-before-we-lead-we-must-heal-w-greg-wieting?si=9a72ece4a05647c7b953f29beae07439

    Ep. 75: Decolonizing Professionalism & Work https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-75-decolonizing-professionalism-work?si=20f94cee434a430da11ec5a272fde842

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 50 min
    Ep. 95: But what ARE you?!

    Ep. 95: But what ARE you?!

    If you’re from a mixed race background, you’ve probably heard questions like “I know you’re not white, but I don’t know what you are?” or “Why are you that color?” or “But where are you ACTUALLY from?” and it can be infuriating and traumatic.

    This is something that Weeze experiences, too, as a fair-skinned indigenous African woman and it happens to so many people. So in today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into racial ambiguity, mixed race identity, what it’s like and what it means in the work that we do.

    We’re exploring:
    Why language is so important in what we call ourselves
    What the motivation of investigations into your background are REALLY about
    Breaking down the questions “where are you from?” and “what are you?”
    The conversation we need to have amongst ourselves as multi-racial folks
    What it’s like when you don’t fit into a box
    The functions of colorism and anti-Blackness vs racism
    Where social identities play a role in this work
    The risk and gamble we face as racially ambiguous folks
    And more!

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 1 hr 10 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
267 Ratings

267 Ratings

soparker ,

Truly excellent!

Weeze and Trudi continue to bring us excellent (and free!) education. They break down complex topics and current events to meet each listener where they are. Weeze and Trudi consistently dive into the details in a way that is easy to understand and, importantly, nuanced. Both of these women consistently hold space for their listeners (and their own!) humanity. I can’t appreciate them enough. Sign up for their newsletters and paid platforms to continue your work in community. (Updated for 2022)

These other 5 star reviewers are getting it right! Weeze and Trudi are experts and break it all down for the rest of us to grapple with. If you’re looking to start doing the work, or want to find out what the work is, Weeze and Trudi will set you on a path.

If you’re not sure where to start, there’s a syllabus in the show notes of episodes 91 and 82! No excuses.

cassia3578 ,

Thank you Trudi and Weeze

One of my go to podcasts on long drives or when I am trying to navigate equity at work. I have learned so much from these ladies, appreciate their direct approach but also that they are willing to hold space for those who take accountability and genuinely want to do better. I feel affirmed when I listen to this podcast that even though the path can be messy and hard, there is joy in learning and growing. There is joy in knowing that folk are on our side and on the side of justice. True and genuine leaders in justice work. They should be your go-to.

Ruuunelight ,

🔥🔥🔥

This is honestly my favorite podcast. I resonate so much with the authenticity, directness, and the core value system in each episode, that reminds us of our true humanity. Equally empowering as it is enlightening! Weeze and Trudi are changing the world and I admire them so much!

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