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This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!

If you like what you hear join us in our That’s Not How That Works facebook group to continue the conversation!
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That's Not How That Works Trudi & Weeze

    • Education
    • 4.9 • 227 Ratings

This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!

If you like what you hear join us in our That’s Not How That Works facebook group to continue the conversation!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Enjoy the Show!

    Ep. 85: DEI was DOA - The role whyte folx play and how to remedy

    Ep. 85: DEI was DOA - The role whyte folx play and how to remedy

    What do we mean when we say that white folks can’t be the poison AND the antidote? What’s the difference between DEI and anti-racism work anyway? If you want to know the answer to these questions and what you CAN do in the work as a white person without being harmful, you’re not gonna want to miss this episode! Today, Trudi & Weeze are answering these questions as well as exploring the white folks co-opting the movement, why we don’t do DEI work with clients before anti-racism work is done, and how BIPOC can continue to protect their peace and hold boundaries.

    Wanna go deeper? Go back and listen to these episodes for more:

    Ep. 19: Let’s Cut the BS - From Ally to Accomplice
    Ep. 68: The Basics - Justice, Equity, Diversity & Inclusion

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 47 min
    Ep. 84: The Great White Awakening

    Ep. 84: The Great White Awakening

    We are 3 months now out of the “Great White Awakening” and it’s time for y’all to have a come to Beyoncé moment… Where do you fall in this movement? Why did we even have this “Great White Awakening” now of all times? Why was George Floyd the beginning of it and not Breonna Taylor or any of the other Black folx who have been murdered?

    On today’s episode, we’re exploring the co-occurring social crises that created the perfect storm for people to FINALLY wake up, the 3 types of folx we saw in the Great White Awakening, and why it isn’t actually in your business’s best interest to use this movement to start branding yourself as an “anti-racist or DEI expert.”


    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 53 min
    Ep. 83: Tag Team Back Again

    Ep. 83: Tag Team Back Again

    We’re back, y’all! A lot has happened in the world since our last podcast episode and we’re excited to be back to start breaking it all down over this season. On today’s episode, we’re diving into what we’ve been up to during the podcast break and exploring the recent resurgence of the civil rights movement, Weeze’s farewell to Facebook, the new “Great Awakening,” and why the transformational change you’re looking for can’t be done with a quick fix, DM, or one-off training!

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/thatsnothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 44 min
    Ep.82: TNHTW 101: Summer Syllabus Final

    Ep.82: TNHTW 101: Summer Syllabus Final

    This is our last episode of the season! Trudi and Weeze will be back in September with all new podcast episodes but in the meantime they have set up a curriculum to go back and listen to some of the most influential episodes so far. These are for you whether you are a newcomer to the podcast or if you just need refreshers as you continue on their path to wokeness. These will work in conjunction with our newsletter (that you should sign up for!) and our Facebook page to continue the discussion as always. Our book club will also be reviewing two books a month so there is plenty of opportunity to learn and interact with us. Until then enjoy these episodes...ok byeeeeeee!

    Foundational
    Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion

    Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled):
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25

    Episode 76 - Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-76-education-vs-action-each-plays-a-role-in-equity-but-only-one-creates-change

    From Ally to Accomplice
    Episode 19 - Lets Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-b******t-from-ally-to-accomplice

    Episode 70 - Wait WTF…I can be down and still not be woke?:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/wait-wtfi-can-be-down-and-still-not-be-woke

    Episode 29 - When Glennon Doyle’s Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep29

    Whiteness
    Episode 37 - The Basics of White Centering:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep37

    Episode 41 - Whitesplaining and Webster…A look at language:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep41

    Episode 10 - Don’t Be A BBQ Becky:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-10-dont-be-a-bbq-becky

    Safety
    Episode 64 - Safe Space, a journey: the what, how & how not!:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-64-safe-space-a-journey-the-what-how-how-not

    Episode 46 - Do White Folks Deserve Safe Spaces?:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep46

    Episode 60 - Byron Katie, The Fairy Godmother of Spiritual Bypassing:
    https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-60-byron-katie-the-fairy-godmother-of-spiritual-bypassing

    Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 35 min
    Ep. 81: Who is Karen & why does she want to talk to the manager?

    Ep. 81: Who is Karen & why does she want to talk to the manager?

    Have you ever seen a “Karen?” She’s the one who storms through the sliding doors with her apologetic husband in tow. Her short “power” haircut, oversized sunglasses and bratty kids let everyone know her entitled ass is getting whatever she wants. She yells and accuses everyone causing as much of a scene as possible, if provoked then she will unleash her final attack saying, “I want to speak to your manager!” This is a “Karen”... she’s not a new phenomenon but she can now be identified properly with the rise of social media. In this episode, Trudi & Weeze break down what being a Karen is and how whiteness plays a major role in being one. Listen in as we explore potential outcomes and how you can help combat all the Karening going on.


    Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 49 min
    Ep. 80: Privilege and Pandemics

    Ep. 80: Privilege and Pandemics

    Privileged during the pandemic? It may not always feel that way, but many of us are in one way or another. What are you doing with it, though? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are diving into what privilege IS, what it ISN’T, what choices you have during this time, and how you can use this time to rise while making sure others rise with you.

    Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 52 min

Customer Reviews

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227 Ratings

227 Ratings

donthaveanitunesnickname ,

Amazing anti-racism educators!

This podcast is thorough in explaining terms and systems of domination in talk I can relate to-sarcastic in the best way. The educators don’t shame, which is hard to find in anti-racism education, but they hold me accountable, so I can just focus on learning and unlearning instead of ghosting. Thank you for the endless hours of emotional labor and passion for keeping the focus where it should be, and keeping me focused on where I should be focused.

Kell bell416 ,

Honest and amazing

Weeze and Trudi have such great chemistry. They are great to listen to while still telling it like it is. I have learned so much from these two women.

SKaplanDesign ,

Trudi and Weeze are the best teachers

I’ve learned so much from these two. Their frameworks are so helpful and make these complex systems so clear. Their energy together is great too, they’ll definitely make you laugh!

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