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This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!

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That's Not How That Works Trudi & Weeze

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    • 4.9 • 272 Ratings

This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!

If you like what you hear join us in our That’s Not How That Works facebook group to continue the conversation!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Enjoy the Show!

    Ep. 103: It’s not goodbye, the world is just on fire

    Ep. 103: It’s not goodbye, the world is just on fire

    The world is on fire, y’all and there’s so much to unpack both globally and personally. There are actual wars going on—the war on the Black and queer communities as well as voting rights here in the U.S. happening simultaneously with the war in Ukraine—and some major life and business changes for us as well. So we’re gonna take a little break, y’all. But before we go, don’t miss today’s episode where we’re breaking down all of this, sharing updates on our lives and the podcast, and leaving you with some things to do and ruminate on while we’re gone to make things more equitable in YOUR world.

    Let’s explore:


    - What bothers us particularly about the war in Ukraine
    - Some small things you can do that can make massive shifts for people
    - The changes Weeze has been making in her business to make things more accessible and equitable (and an invitation to rethink your own business practices as well!)
    - Why we’re stepping away from the podcast (temporarily!)
    - Trudi’s big news

    Pre-order your copy of Trudi's book: The Anti-Racist Business Book

    For the full story on Weeze’s eye condition, go back and listen to Ep. #102: Your Urgency is Not my Emergency

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 27 min
    Ep. 102: Your Urgency is Not My Emergency

    Ep. 102: Your Urgency is Not My Emergency

    It's been an interesting and exhausting couple of weeks, y'all! But wanna know what’s REALLY been chapping our asses lately? Then you don’t want to miss today’s episode where Trudi and Weeze are breaking down the expectations (and massive misconceptions) that come from the kind of work that we do, THIS thing that’s happening with the language of anti-racism and anti-oppression, and why more than ever it's important to give people the space to be human.

    We're unpacking:

    The imaginary social contracts between high visibility figures and those receiving their free service (and why it’s b******t)
    What to do if you’re on either end of this imaginary social contract
    How to balance doing DEI work and taking care of yourself
    Why Weeze has been less active on social media lately

    Pre-order your copy of Trudi's book: The Anti-Racist Business Book

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Want to work with us? Find us here:
    Trudi: https://trudilebron.com/start/
    Weeze: https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 36 min
    Ep. 101: Creating Space

    Ep. 101: Creating Space

    What does it cost to have the life you want? Really, it’s the life you have, right? In today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you examples of how we’re embodying this in our own personal and professional lives to let go of the old and create space for new priorities and projects both on a personal front and in our social justice work. Join us for some big news from Weeze, a secret from Trudi, what we’re most excited about this year, and what we’re actively creating space for.

    We’re exploring:

    - The different layers of social justice work (including the ones most people don’t think about!)
    - ONE place where a big change needs to happen to make a substantial shift in direct service social justice work
    - How we’ve shifted our schedules to create more space for the things that are important to us
    - Why we don’t worry about business pivots
    - How to really achieve your goal of balance between work and family


    Pre-order your copy of Trudi’s book: The Anit-Racist Business Book

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 35 min
    Ep. 100: Lessons From 100 Episodes

    Ep. 100: Lessons From 100 Episodes

    Happy 100 episodes, y’all!! For this episode, Trudi & Weeze are reflecting on the past 100 episodes of the podcast and sharing the biggest lessons we’ve learned from it. Join us for a look back at how we got here, what’s changed for us and the podcast in the last 3 years, what we wish we had known about podcasting from the start, lessons we’ve learned about business partnerships, and what’s coming for the next 100.

    Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks


    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 51 min
    Ep. 99.5: Protect Your Peace This Holiday Season (minisode)

    Ep. 99.5: Protect Your Peace This Holiday Season (minisode)

    Hey y’all! Today, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you a special minisode before we break for the holidays. Listen in for what we’re celebrating as we wrap up 2021, what we’d love for you this holiday season, and how to prioritize your most important relationship.

    • 16 min
    Ep. 99: More on Social Justice Charlatans

    Ep. 99: More on Social Justice Charlatans

    We just got done with Thanksgiving, and with it comes talk online of the need to “decolonize” the holiday, ditch the turkey, potatoes and get togethers and just make it a normal day. So y’all, it’s time to have a discussion of the tradition of Thanksgiving in the US, because although we aren’t arguing about the history of the holiday, we shouldn’t be throwing the whole tradition away.

    Join us in this episode for a breakdown of what parts are actually really important to melanated folks and those with marginalized identities, why we CAN’T actually decolonize the holiday, the healing elements to be found here, and what we think we should be doing instead of opting out of the whole thing.

    We’re exploring:
    -Something that really irks Trudi and why it’s NOT helpful when you do it
    -THIS practice that’s the main way you can spot the commodification of social justice
    -Why the advice to totally opt out of all Thanksgiving traditions is not only not helpful, but harmful (and what to do instead)
    -The reason that the BLM movement, anti-racism work, and anti-oppression work thrived during the pandemic
    -How illuminating something and shaming are different and where they’re similar (and why you need to be aware of this fine line!)
    -The difference between disruption and agitation and why it’s important to understand what these REALLY mean
    -And more!


    Grab your spot for the first LIVE That’s Not How That Works workshop in 2 years! The Commodification of Social Justice: https://weeze.teachable.com/p/cosj

    Follow us on Instagram:
    https://instagram.com/trudilebron
    https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze
    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 42 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
272 Ratings

272 Ratings

soparker ,

Truly excellent!

Weeze and Trudi continue to bring us excellent (and free!) education. They break down complex topics and current events to meet each listener where they are. Weeze and Trudi consistently dive into the details in a way that is easy to understand and, importantly, nuanced. Both of these women consistently hold space for their listeners (and their own!) humanity. I can’t appreciate them enough. Sign up for their newsletters and paid platforms to continue your work in community. (Updated for 2022)

These other 5 star reviewers are getting it right! Weeze and Trudi are experts and break it all down for the rest of us to grapple with. If you’re looking to start doing the work, or want to find out what the work is, Weeze and Trudi will set you on a path.

If you’re not sure where to start, there’s a syllabus in the show notes of episodes 91 and 82! No excuses.

cassia3578 ,

Thank you Trudi and Weeze

One of my go to podcasts on long drives or when I am trying to navigate equity at work. I have learned so much from these ladies, appreciate their direct approach but also that they are willing to hold space for those who take accountability and genuinely want to do better. I feel affirmed when I listen to this podcast that even though the path can be messy and hard, there is joy in learning and growing. There is joy in knowing that folk are on our side and on the side of justice. True and genuine leaders in justice work. They should be your go-to.

Ruuunelight ,

🔥🔥🔥

This is honestly my favorite podcast. I resonate so much with the authenticity, directness, and the core value system in each episode, that reminds us of our true humanity. Equally empowering as it is enlightening! Weeze and Trudi are changing the world and I admire them so much!

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