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This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!

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That's Not How That Works Trudi & Weeze

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    • 4.9 • 237 Ratings

This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!

If you like what you hear join us in our That’s Not How That Works facebook group to continue the conversation!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Enjoy the Show!

    Ep. 88: Ongoing Accountability

    Ep. 88: Ongoing Accountability

    So you’ve made a public statement that you’re behind the Black Lives Matter movement and committed to anti-racism. But what does it mean to make a commitment like this and be accountable to these commitments? On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are exploring what accountability looks like (in a real way!), why it feels hard, and one of the MOST IMPORTANT things you can do to stay accountable. We're also diving into the most recent example of how companies prioritize profit over people.

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    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 51 min
    Ep. 87: White Saviorism - Final Answer

    Ep. 87: White Saviorism - Final Answer

    You might be a white savior if…

    Seriously y’all… we get questions about this one on the daily. “Am I a white savior? What are people gonna think of me if I share online about the work I’m doing? How do I make sure I’m not crossing the line into white saviorism?”

    So on today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are sharing our FINAL ANSWER on this one. We’re exploring all about white saviorism: what it is, why it’s so dangerous, the difference between white identity and whiteness, and how to make sure you don’t show up in spaces as a white savior.

    For the full breakdown of white saviorism, go back and check out Episode 19: Let’s Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice - https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-b******t-from-ally-to-accomplice

    Follow us on Instagram:
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    https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 56 min
    Ep. 86: Ibram X Kendi and How to Not to Write About Being An Anti-Racist

    Ep. 86: Ibram X Kendi and How to Not to Write About Being An Anti-Racist

    If you’re looking for a guide on how to be an anti-racist, Ibram Kendi’s book “How to Be an Anti-Racist” is NOT it, y’all. On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into this controversial book, why the title is problematic and not accurate, who this book is best for and what it REALLY is, what could have made it better, and what we recommend you read instead if you’re on your own journey towards anti-racism.

    Check out Ep. 25: Can White Folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled) -- https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25

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    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 41 min
    Ep. 85: DEI was DOA - The role whyte folx play and how to remedy

    Ep. 85: DEI was DOA - The role whyte folx play and how to remedy

    What do we mean when we say that white folks can’t be the poison AND the antidote? What’s the difference between DEI and anti-racism work anyway? If you want to know the answer to these questions and what you CAN do in the work as a white person without being harmful, you’re not gonna want to miss this episode! Today, Trudi & Weeze are answering these questions as well as exploring the white folks co-opting the movement, why we don’t do DEI work with clients before anti-racism work is done, and how BIPOC can continue to protect their peace and hold boundaries.

    Wanna go deeper? Go back and listen to these episodes for more:

    Ep. 19: Let’s Cut the BS - From Ally to Accomplice
    Ep. 68: The Basics - Justice, Equity, Diversity & Inclusion

    Follow us on Instagram:
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    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 47 min
    Ep. 84: The Great White Awakening

    Ep. 84: The Great White Awakening

    We are 3 months now out of the “Great White Awakening” and it’s time for y’all to have a come to Beyoncé moment… Where do you fall in this movement? Why did we even have this “Great White Awakening” now of all times? Why was George Floyd the beginning of it and not Breonna Taylor or any of the other Black folx who have been murdered?

    On today’s episode, we’re exploring the co-occurring social crises that created the perfect storm for people to FINALLY wake up, the 3 types of folx we saw in the Great White Awakening, and why it isn’t actually in your business’s best interest to use this movement to start branding yourself as an “anti-racist or DEI expert.”


    Follow us on Instagram:
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    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 53 min
    Ep. 83: Tag Team Back Again

    Ep. 83: Tag Team Back Again

    We’re back, y’all! A lot has happened in the world since our last podcast episode and we’re excited to be back to start breaking it all down over this season. On today’s episode, we’re diving into what we’ve been up to during the podcast break and exploring the recent resurgence of the civil rights movement, Weeze’s farewell to Facebook, the new “Great Awakening,” and why the transformational change you’re looking for can’t be done with a quick fix, DM, or one-off training!

    Follow us on Instagram:
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    https://instagram.com/thatsnothowthatworks

    Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins
    https://www.aganee.com
    https://instagram.com/therealaganee

    • 44 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
237 Ratings

237 Ratings

Scheherazade2005 ,

Get Educated with Weeze and Trudi!

Weeze and Trudi are not only experts in their fields, but their authenticity and ability to tell it like it is really helps you confront the issues. They don't shame, they hold their audience accountable, and give their listeners a lot to chew on and think about. I love that they break down everything to make all the concepts understandable and how we can make ourselves more actionable. It's 1000% changing my life.

SimonSays9289 ,

A Master Class

Weeze & Trudi are experts in their fields and I’m so thankful they are willing to share their expertise with us. Providing both tangible definitions/information and insights in how to do better, these women have helped to open my eyes onto the impact of my actions and language & clear corrections. I’m grateful to be able to listen to TNHTW and learn from them each week.

donthaveanitunesnickname ,

Amazing anti-racism educators!

This podcast is thorough in explaining terms and systems of domination in talk I can relate to-sarcastic in the best way. The educators don’t shame, which is hard to find in anti-racism education, but they hold me accountable, so I can just focus on learning and unlearning instead of ghosting. Thank you for the endless hours of emotional labor and passion for keeping the focus where it should be, and keeping me focused on where I should be focused.

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