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As former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out.

  1. 11H AGO

    Why Supermodel Karlie Kloss Quit Victoria’s Secret to Build a Tech Empire

    Model, investor, activist, founder—Karlie Kloss has worn a lot of hats (and a lot of couture). In this episode of The Burnouts, Karlie sits down with Phoebe and Sophia to talk about what happens when your “dream job” turns into something more. From getting scouted at 13 and walking Dior at 15, to launching Kode With Klossy and acquiring i-D magazine, Karlie shares the real story behind the headlines—and how she’s used her platform to build power on her own terms. She opens up about early burnout, learning to trust her instincts, and the pressure of growing up in public. Plus: how she used brand deals to fund a coding nonprofit, why she angel invested in tampons, and what she’s learned about failure, focus, and building a career that actually lasts. Also: how she made $10k flying economy??? 🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯️ CHAPTERS 02:15 – Getting scouted at 13 04:10 – Saving every dollar (even mid-Fashion Week) 06:30 – Modeling as a means, not the end 09:20 – Using social media as a business tool 11:00 – Starting Kode With Klossy 15:10 – Investing in women-led companies 18:45 – Mistakes, pivots, and building something real 24:00 – Why she uses her dinner parties to fund reproductive rights 29:20 – Reimagining i-D for the next generation 33:00 – Advice for young women entering fashion 35:00 – Letting go of the pressure to have it all figured out FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Karlie Kloss 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram TikTok LinkedIn 📲 Download the Phia app: www.phia.com Subscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s. Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you).  🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career

    37 min

  2. JUL 3

    Hollywood Actress to Investor: The $10K Bet That Made Sophia Bush Millions

    From teen drama star to angel investor, Sophia Bush joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for an unfiltered conversation about building wealth, walking away from toxic systems, and making purpose profitable. In this episode of The Burnouts, Sophia reveals how a surprise $10,000 angel check into Uber kickstarted her investment journey—and how that single move led to millions. She opens up about the real economics of being a young actress, fighting for equal pay on One Tree Hill, and the dark side of working in Hollywood. Sophia also shares what it means to build power as a woman in business: launching inclusive salons, shaping the future of femtech, and helping fund America's first women-founded bank. She breaks down the difference between angel investing and venture, gives practical advice for women who want to build wealth without gatekeeping, and explains why doing good and doing well should never be mutually exclusive. Also: The best financial advice she’s ever received.   🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯️   🔍 CHAPTERS 1:20 – From aspiring heart surgeon to unexpected actress 6:45 – The economics of young Hollywood 13:00 – Building an inclusive salon in Detroit 17:20 – Investing in Uber with $10K 20:45 – The power of sweat equity 25:30 – Femtech, abortion access & why periods matter 30:15 – Talking money without shame 34:00 – The group chat every woman needs   🔗 FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Sophia Bush   🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram  TikTok  LinkedIn 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money. Subscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic.

    36 min

  3. JUN 26

    How Playing DUMB Helped Paris Hilton Build a BILLION Dollar Empire

    Heiress, icon, mogul, mom—and the original influencer. In this episode of The Burnouts, Paris Hilton gets real with Phoebe and Sophia about turning a catchphrase into a global brand, the pain behind her activism, and why being underestimated was her greatest advantage. She opens up about creating the “dumb blonde” persona as a form of power, testifying before Congress as a survivor, and why she believes angel numbers (and small-town nerds) are the secret to everything. Plus: what it’s like running 30 businesses, parenting with purpose, and building 11:11 Media to bring it all together. This isn’t the Paris Hilton you think you know. Also: DJ paychecks, ADHD superpowers, and how to spot a fragile man.   🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨🕯️   🔍 CHAPTERS 1:45 – Inventing the “Paris Hilton” character 5:00 – ADHD and the art of doing everything 9:40 – Playing dumb, trademarking “That’s Hot” 13:15 – From survivor to Capitol Hill 18:00 – Why she’d never date a guy from LA 20:45 – Paris' obsession with angel numbers 24:00 – Advice for building a brand   🔗 FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Paris Hilton   🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram TikTok LinkedIn 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.com Subscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic.

    28 min

  4. JUN 19

    The Marketing Hacks That Got Us 200K Downloads and Kris Jenner’s Investment

    200,000 downloads. A tagline that finally made people “get it.” And a few hard lessons along the way. In this episode of The Burnouts, co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni unpack the marketing experiments that helped Phia find traction—from trial reels and creator guides to AI-generated scripts and TikTok reach campaigns. They share what worked, what didn’t, and what they’re still learning about building a brand from scratch. They also talk about the power of a clear metaphor (“Google Flights for fashion”), the pressure of launching on the same day as a major podcast appearance, and why community has been their most valuable asset. Also: how Kris Jenner got involved... 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.com 🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯 🔍 CHAPTERS 2:00 – Launching Phia the same day as Call Her Daddy 6:20 – Trial Reels: our low-cost growth engine 8:45 – Our best-performing hook 11:15 – TikTok flops, LinkedIn wins, and why Substack matters 13:10 – The hack to community-building 15:00 – How we use AI to write scripts that work 17:30 – The SEO agency mistake we won’t make again 19:10 – The "special sauce" in a marketing hire 🔗 FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram TikTok LinkedIn Subscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s. Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you). 🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career

    28 min

  5. JUN 12

    Meet the Stanford genius who modeled for Victoria’s Secret and won Olympic gold (ft. Eileen Gu)

    Olympic gold, Ivy League brains, supermodel looks—and still figuring it out. In this episode of The Burnouts, Olympic gold medalist, model, and Stanford student Eileen Gu joins Phoebe and Sophia for an unfiltered conversation about ambition, identity, and what happens after you’ve seemingly “made it.” Eileen opens up about her post-Olympic burnout, learning to sit with stillness after injury, and the pressure of being young, female, and hyper-visible on the world stage. From negotiating brand deals at 13 to being grilled about geopolitics at 18, she reflects on the emotional toll of public scrutiny—and the freedom of learning to define success on her own terms. She also shares how fashion gave her a new language for femininity, what solo travel taught her about self-worth, and why she’ll never apologize for being “the nerd who does everyone’s homework.”  Also: the difference between a high-quality man and a fragile ego.    🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON OUR LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE ✨🕯️    CHAPTERS 2:10 – Post-Olympic depression is real 4:45 – How she accidentally went pro 6:55 – Negotiating for yourself, even if you're scared 10:40 – Walking Victoria’s Secret and staying true to your values 13:15 – Becoming a cultural bridge—not picking a side 17:35 – Why smart women scare fragile men 26:00 – Glorifying suffering is not a flex 28:55 – Nerd alert: physics made her a better skier 35:40 – Injury, identity, and learning to rest   FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Eileen Gu   FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram  TikTok LinkedIn   📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.com   Subscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic.

    37 min

  6. JUN 5

    Why Women Are Secretly Better at Money According to an Ex-Wall Street Trader

    What if your side hustle made you a millionaire—and taught millions of women how to become one too? In this episode of The Burnouts, Vivian Tu (@Your.RichBFF) joins Phoebe and Sophia to unpack the story behind her Wall Street-to-TikTok glow-up, the money myths that hold women back, and how she’s rewriting financial literacy for a new generation. Vivian opens up about surviving workplace racism, being your office’s unofficial 401(k) whisperer, and building a media empire that started with one viral video—and became a New York Times bestselling book, a chart-topping podcast, and a full-time career. She also shares the real talk behind her relationship: who paid more rent, how German cockroaches accidentally fast-tracked her move-in, and why every couple should go on “dessert walks.” Also: the genius trick to automating your savings without even thinking about it. ❤️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨❤️ 🔍 CHAPTERS 1:02 – Why dating gets harder when women get more successful 4:55 – How to actually budget (no spreadsheets, no shame) 8:00 – What to do with your first paycheck 13:50 – Getting pushed out of Wall Street—and finding a new path 18:20 – When to quit your job for your side hustle 30:55 – Talking about money in relationships (without making it weird)   🔗 FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Vivian Tu 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram TikTok Linkedin   📖 Read Rich AF 🎧 Listen to Networth and Chill 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money   Subscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive interviews with the thinkers, founders, and creatives shaping culture and business today. As former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni bring rare access and real curiosity to every guest—cutting through the noise to get to what actually matters. It’s not just another founder podcast. This is what building in your 20s really looks like—unscripted, in-progress, and surprisingly honest.

    36 min

  7. MAY 29

    How this influencer started a $100+ million fragrance empire after divorce (ft. Chriselle Lim)

    ❤️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨❤️ What if heartbreak was the beginning of your empire? In this episode of The Burnouts, entrepreneur and creative director Chriselle Lim sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to unpack how she went from TikTok’s “rich mom” to co-owning Phlur, a $100M+ fragrance brand. From the ashes of burnout and divorce, Chriselle rebuilt her life—and helped reshape how fragrance is built, branded, and sold. She shares the story behind Missing Person (the perfume with a 250K waitlist that changed everything) and how reinvention became her real superpower.  Also: the bamboo tree metaphor that will stick with you forever. 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving → www.join.phia.com 🔗 FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Chriselle Lim Phlur 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram TikTok Linkedin   📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money while you shop today. About The Burnouts As former Stanford roommates turned startup founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni are building more than a business—they’re building a bold new conversation. The Burnouts dives into the chaos of creation, covering everything from personal reinvention and product meltdowns to friendship, finances, and fear. With top guests like Kris Jenner, Danielle Guizio, and Whitney Wolfe Herd, this is your behind-the-scenes playbook for building on your own terms.

    38 min

  8. MAY 22

    She made $2M in 2 days by building a celebrity cult favorite brand (ft. Danielle Guizio)

    What if your first investment was a $400 tax refund and a tape measure? In this episode of The Burnouts, fashion founder Danielle Guizio sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to talk about turning side hustles into global brands, learning leadership the hard way, and why your iPhone might be your most powerful marketing tool. Danielle opens up about recovering from surgery, walking garbage bags of orders to USPS, and getting duped on TikTok. She shares the strategy behind her $2M Black Friday breakthrough, why she still fits every sample herself, and how she built a viral fashion empire with no design experience, no car, and no connections—just a deep belief that she could figure it out. Also: negotiating in Chinatown at 13, selling out with zero ads, and what she really looks for in a résumé (hint: it’s not your school). Chapters 1:10 – $400, no car, and a dream 5:45 – Getting duped and going viral anyway 10:12 – Negotiation school and hiring red flags 13:48 – Why she still works the retail floor 16:00 – Instagram as your magazine 21:35 – How she got Kylie Jenner and Dua Lipa in her clothes 24:18 – What she actually looks for in a hire 28:55 – Advice for every girl with a side hustle Follow us Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Danielle Guizio & the Guizio brand Follow The Burnouts Instagram TikTok Linkedin Subscribe for more raw, unfiltered convos with iconic leaders, founders, and disruptors who are building what’s next (and burning down what’s not). 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money at www.join.phia.com About The Burnouts As former Stanford roommates turned startup founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni are building more than a business—they’re building a bold new conversation. The Burnouts dives into the chaos of creation, covering everything from VC pitches and product meltdowns to friendship, finance, and fear. With top guests like Danielle Guizio, Kris Jenner, and Whitney Wolfe Herd, this is your behind-the-scenes playbook for building on your own terms.

    31 min
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As former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out.

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