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We talk about all sorts of things from the perspective of conservation professionals, from museum trends and new technology to the big issues like pay and staying safe at work. In some museums conservation can be a bit of a naughty word but we think it ought to be celebrated!

The C Word (M4A Feed) The C Word

    • Society & Culture
    • 4.7 • 14 Ratings

We talk about all sorts of things from the perspective of conservation professionals, from museum trends and new technology to the big issues like pay and staying safe at work. In some museums conservation can be a bit of a naughty word but we think it ought to be celebrated!

    S08E01: Lights, Camera, Action!

    S08E01: Lights, Camera, Action!

    We’re joined by special guest host Fi White as we chat about filming in heritage settings: from bodice rippers and period dramas to music videos and news segments! Kloe interviews Wendy Somerville-Woodiwis about actors on trains, and Jenny talks to freelance filming conservator Kate Bertenshaw about the basics of film crew herding. Also tune in for a review of the film ’Those That, at a Distance, Resemble Another.'

    04:11 Our experiences of filming
    11:20 Set dressing and adapting the space
    23:55 Why don’t we share filming experiences more?
    30:07 Risks and rewards
    36:43 Interview with Wendy Somerville-Woodiwis
    49:10 Interview with Kate Bertenshaw
    56:50 Review: ’Those That, at a Distance, Resemble Another'

    Show Notes:
    - Sell Out? conference: http://www.sharemuseumseast.org.uk/events/event/6th-annual-ucm-share-collections-care-conference/
    - The Colin Firth cake: https://variety.com/2020/tv/global/jane-austens-mr-darcy-was-turned-into-a-life-sized-cake-1234760208/
    - Royal carriages in Station Hall: https://www.railwaymuseum.org.uk/whats-on/station-hall
    - Kate’s LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kate-bertenshaw-11b74724
    - Trailer and information about ’Those That, at a Distance, Resemble Another’ (2019): https://jessicarinland.com/those

    Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword

    Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Fi White.

    Intro and outro music by DDmyzik used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.

    Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

    A Wooden Dice production, 2020.

    • 1 hr 8 min
    S07E08: Returning To Work

    S07E08: Returning To Work

    We have a catch up and chat about returning to work after lockdown. We read out and listen to some contributions from people who either have gone back into work or are waiting to get the green light. Round off the season with a First Wave Back cocktail at the Benchwork Bar on your way out!

    00:52 What’s our situation like?
    08:52 Our Twitter poll
    13:29 How museums are changing
    15:53 Listener contributions (part 1)
    30:21 Listener contributions (part 2)
    48:52 How do we feel right now?
    51:59 Benchwork Bar: First Wave Back

    Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword

    Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson and Kloe Rumsey.

    Intro and outro music by DDmyzik used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.

    Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

    A Wooden Dice production, 2020.

    • 56 min
    S07E07: Focus on Photos

    S07E07: Focus on Photos

    We zoom in on the topic of photography conservation and photos in collections with guest host Lorraine Finch. From positives to negatives, we build a picture of some common things look out for and discuss some ways of storing vintage photos. Also tune in for a review of 'Twentieth-Century Color Photographs - Identification and Care' and an Albumen cocktail (and mocktail) at the Benchwork Bar!

    00:00:45 Do object conservators come across many old photos?
    00:06:44 What sort of photos do we mostly encounter?
    00:15:13 Book recommendations galore
    00:16:23 Kloe frets about modern photography
    00:20:53 Polaroid revival and instant photos
    00:23:24 Common types of damage
    00:31:56 Storage solutions
    00:39:19 Treat it or lose it
    00:47:25 Review: 'Twentieth-Century Color Photographs - Identification and Care'
    00:53:37 Benchwork Bar: Albumen
    01:01:40 Patreon shout out

    Show Notes:
    - Lorraine’s previous episodes: https://thecword.show/2018/05/02/s03e04-looking-after-your-conservator/ and https://thecword.show/2019/09/18/s06e01-conservation-on-a-budget/
    - The Centre for Photographic Conservation: http://www.cpc-moor.com/index.htm
    - Winston Churchill Traveling Fellowship: https://www.wcmt.org.uk/why-apply/travel-grant
    - Image Permanence Institute: https://www.imagepermanenceinstitute.org/
    - George Eastman Museum: https://www.eastman.org/
    - Care and Identification of 19th-Century Photographic Prints: https://store.imagepermanenceinstitute.org/care-id-photographic-prints
    - Photographs of the Past - Process and Preservation: https://www.getty.edu/conservation/publications_resources/books/photos_of_the_past.html
    - Sub-zero storage of photographs: http://wilhelm-research.com/subzero.html
    - ZINK technology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zink_(technology)
    - Lorraine’s articles on the PEL blog: https://www.preservationequipment.com/Blog/Blog-Posts/Blog-Categories/Photographic
    - Photographic Negatives - Nature and Evolution of Processes: https://s3.cad.rit.edu/ipi-assets/publications/negatives_poster_booklet.pdf
    - Twentieth-Century Color Photographs - Identification and Care: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Twentieth-Century-Colour-Photographs-Identification/dp/0500517193/ or https://www.getty.edu/conservation/publications_resources/books/20th_century_color.html
    - Go follow Amanda Richards for more conservation cocktails: https://twitter.com/ConserveItAll

    Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword

    Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Lorraine Finch.

    Intro and outro music by DDmyzik used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.

    Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

    A Wooden Dice production, 2020.

    • 1 hr 4 min
    S07E06: Let There Be Light

    S07E06: Let There Be Light

    We squint at the topic of light in this illuminating episode: guest host Sarah Potter enlightens us while Jenny thinks about communication and Kloe reveals she has super eye sight. Christina interviews David Saunders and Jenny reviews his new book about museum lighting. Also tune in for a Dear Jane about dissertations, and a Fluorescent Bulb at the Benchwork Bar!

    00:03:00 How we light our galleries
    00:15:40 Light monitoring routines
    00:20:13 Light levels and material types
    00:21:41 Communicating about low light levels
    00:28:13 Lights inside cases are basically the devil
    00:31:54 Interview with David Saunders
    00:59:37 Smart glass?!
    01:01:40 Review: 'Museum Lighting - A Guide for Conservators and Curators'
    01:05:45 Dear Jane
    01:10:50 Benchwork Bar: Fluorescent Bulb
    01:13:53 Patreon shout out

    Show Notes:
    - Contemporary Art episode: https://thecword.show/2019/04/17/s05e03-contemporary-art/
    - Connecting to Collection Care webinar ’How to Change a Lightbulb: LED Lighting for Museums’: https://www.connectingtocollections.org/how-to-change-a-lightbulb/
    - Example of the handheld monitor we talk about: https://www.preservationequipment.com/Catalogue/Instruments/UV-Light-Monitors/UV-Light-Monitor
    - 'Spread or Sacrifice: Dilemma for Lighting Policies’ by Agnes Brokerhof, Pieter Kuiper & Steph Scholten: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00393630.2018.1504439
    - Hampton Court Palace and Smart Tint: https://shop.smarttint.com/Hampton-Court-Palace-Smart-Tint-Inc_b_1058.html
    - Museum Lighting - A Guide for Conservators and Curators: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Museum-Lighting-Guide-Conservators-Curators/dp/1606066374 or https://shop.getty.edu/products/museum-lighting-a-guide-for-conservators-and-curators-978-1606066379
    - Go follow Amanda Richards for more conservation cocktails: https://twitter.com/ConserveItAll

    Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword

    Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Sarah Potter.

    Intro and outro music by DDmyzik used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.

    Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

    A Wooden Dice production, 2020.

    • 1 hr 15 min
    S07E05: Mind the Gap

    S07E05: Mind the Gap

    We get philosophical about gap filling and loss compensation in various conservation disciplines: why do we do it and how far do we take it? Kloe interviews Ellie Sweetnam about disruptive conservation and boldly coloured fills, and Jenny reviews ’Pottery and Porcelain Restoration’ by Roger Hawkins. Also join us for a tipple at the Benchwork Bar, and an emotional Dear Jane with a guest contribution from Nerys Rudder.

    00:01:14 So is it gap filling or loss compensation, guys?
    00:11:34 Does emotion come into play?
    00:15:20 Interview with Ellie Sweetnam
    00:28:19 Visibility and ethics
    00:34:58 Techniques and materials
    00:39:51 Damage as something good
    00:45:48 Can we enjoy repairs?
    00:49:08 Review: 'Pottery and Porcelain Restoration - A Practical Guide'
    00:54:05 Dear Jane
    01:05:31 Comments, questions, and corrections
    01:06:03 Benchwork Bar: Pulp Fill

    Show Notes:
    - ’Are Attic Vases Archaeological?’ by Rozeik, Dawson and Wrapson: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/sic.2010.55.Supplement-2.24
    - 'Thinking outside the box: the re-conservation of a ceramic Clazomenian sarcophagus in the Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge’ by Christina Rozeik: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19455224.2011.557000
    - Crap Taxidermy: https://crappytaxidermy.com/
    - Kintsugi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kintsugi
    - Museums Are Not Neutral: https://artstuffmatters.wordpress.com/museums-are-not-neutral/
    - Painting of The Bronte Sisters: https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw00797/The-Bront-Sisters-Anne-Bront-Emily-Bront-Charlotte-Bront
    - Visible mending: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sashiko
    - Pottery and Porcelain Restoration - A Practical Guide: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pottery-Porcelain-Restoration-Practical-Guide/dp/1785006754/
    - Full statement by Nerys Rudder: https://thecword.show/podcast/Your_Memories_are_Short_and_You_Havent_Been_Listening%20.pdf
    - Being Black in the Arts and Heritage Sector by Ashleigh Brown: https://icon.org.uk/news/being-black-in-the-arts-and-heritage-sector-paper-conservator-ashleigh-brown-offers-a
    - Thread from Museum Detox: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268230499098603521.html
    - Michelle Silverthorn: https://twitter.com/inwithmichelle
    - Black Lives Matter: https://blacklivesmatter.com/
    - Go follow Amanda Richards for more conservation cocktails: https://twitter.com/ConserveItAll

    Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword

    Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Christina Rozeik.

    Intro and outro music by DDmyzik used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.

    Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

    A Wooden Dice production, 2020.

    • 1 hr 10 min
    S07E04: Working with Techs

    S07E04: Working with Techs

    We’re joined by special guest host Erika Lewis as we talk about the role of technicians, and how conservators and techs work hand in hand (or glove in glove). How do we best work together and what might that look like in different situations? Also tune in for an Exhibit Opener with Amanda at the Benchwork Bar and a book review from Jenny.

    00:54 What are technicians?
    08:03 Where can we find them?
    16:31 Qualifications and such
    17:22 Communicating with employers
    25:55 Sexism rears its ugly head
    29:50 Nurturing your patience
    37:02 The perks
    39:23 Review: ’Sidney Nolan - The Artists’ Materials'
    42:45 Benchwork Bar: The Exhibit Opener
    45:38 Comments, questions, corrections - and an addendum!

    Show Notes:
    - Art technicians as defined by CVAN: http://www.cvan.art/cc-skills-technician-gallery
    - Find Erika Lewis here: https://www.instagram.com/thatslifesnoopy/
    - Getting a forklift license: https://www.get-licensed.co.uk/licence/forklift-licence
    - IPAF training: https://www.ipaf.org/en-gb/ipaf-training
    - The PAL card: https://www.ipaf.org/en-gb/pal-card
    - Art Tech Space: https://www.arttechspace.com/
    - Sidney Nolan - The Artists’ Materials: https://shop.getty.edu/products/sidney-nolan-the-artist-s-materials-978-1606065945 or https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sidney-Nolan-Materials-Paul-Dredge/dp/1606065947
    - Go follow Amanda Richards for more conservation cocktails: https://twitter.com/ConserveItAll
    - Conservation & Collections Care Technicians Diploma: https://www.vam.ac.uk/info/conservation-collections-care-technicians-diploma

    Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword

    Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Erika Lewis.

    Intro and outro music by DDmyzik used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.

    Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

    A Wooden Dice production, 2020.

    • 48 min

Customer Reviews

4.7 out of 5
14 Ratings

14 Ratings

livimeikle ,

Not just for conservators! Recommended.

Smart, interesting, accessible, and fun! And great for a wider audience than just museum conservators--I think teachers, professors, writers, historians--anyone interested in issues of history, conservation, and how to effectively communicate the lessons of the past would enjoy these excellent conversations.

Natalie Karas ,

I love this!

Wow- I’m so happy I found this podcast. As an architectural conservator, my job is even more obscure than being an objects conservator. There is so much cross over between the fields that the information presented on this podcast is very relevant to me. If you want to have an architectural conservator on your show I’d be honored to speak with you! I can tell you all about mortars, paint analysis, stone consolidation...and other insanely specific topics! Keep up the good work!

Inirac ,

Museum professionals unite!

What an excellent podcast! A podcast by museum professionals for museum professionals and other interested people!

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