The China Health Pulse Podcast

Ruby Wang

Conversations with leaders navigating care, cost and control in the world’s most complex health landscape. www.chinahealthpulse.com

Episodes

  1. MAR 8

    Investing in East-West Biotech: The 2026 State of Play - with China Biotech Dealmaker, Dr Leon Tang

    🎧 Here on The ChinaHealthPulse Podcast, I chat in depth with the real experts who have dedicated years to working in and with China’s health - across policy, industry, academia and well beyond. Our candid conversations aim to provide you with real insight into how care is delivered, how decisions are made, and why it all matters, far beyond China’s borders. Watch/listen/read on Substack, on Youtube, or subscribe to the audio podcast on Spotify and Apple. It’s March 2026. Q4 2025 is done, full-year numbers are coming in, and annual reports shared through end-year earnings calls over recent weeks have set the tone for how biotech capital will move in 2026. We’re also a few weeks out from JPM 2026, where there was even more China-West biotech deal chatter than last year, if possible. Now is therefore the perfect moment to zoom out and translate the noise into a clearer map: what is emerging across deals and financings, why they’re emerging now, what a ‘global-grade’ China-origin asset really means in practice. I can think of no one with a better read on the landscape from an investment point of view, than Dr Leon Tang, one of the leading China biotech experts around, who sits closest to the investor and partnering circuits and always has his finger on the pulse. Leon brings almost two decades of experience in biomedical research, BD and investment. He is a founding partner of InScienceWeTrust BioAdvisory, a biotech business development consulting firm that focuses on pharmaceutical licensing between the East and the West, which has advised over 30 clients ranging from Fortune 500 companies, world-leading investment funds, leading public and private biotech companies, and stealth biotech startups. He is the BD head of Mianus Accelerator – a new venture that aims to help Western biotech companies to access China’s world-class first-in-human clinical development capability. He is also the co-founder of the InScienceWeTrust Community, an Asian-biotech focused non-profit, and one of the most active Asian biotech communities I know, with over 4000 active members across global hubs, including in North America and Europe. In addition, he is scientific advisor at BioSpark Group, with past lives in the venture capital and academic worlds. He holds a PhD in Biomedical sciences from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, a Master’s at Nankai University in Biochemistry, and a Bachelor’s from Tianjin University in biochemical engineering, and has published over 50 academic papers, including in Nature Reviews Drug Discovery and the Lancet Oncology. Read our Conversation: (Audio transcript adjusted for clarity and flow) 1. Setting the scene Ruby: Let’s get started by setting the frame. From your vantage point across networks and portfolios, including investors, BD teams and the wider biotech community, what feels most different right now, whether that’s compared with six months ago, a year ago or even further back? Leon: if you ask me what’s the biggest difference compared to what I saw six months ago, obviously I’m a little bit biased, always looking at a lot of stuff from the lens of Asian biotech, particularly China biotech. I would say that the overall industry, especially the Western side when they look at China, the sentiment is much more positive compared to six months ago. And if you go a little bit further back, even to one year ago, there was still debate whether embracing China was a good idea. There was an executive order rumoured from the Trump administration to ban the license deal from China to the US and so on. So that conversation and chatter is now much, much quieter today than before. In the meantime, I would that say since JP Morgan in January, there’s a lot of high profile deals and collaboration. And the headlines announced really embrace the China biotech as an essential part of the global R &D ecosystem - through the deal making, through R &D collaboration, even through high profile big pharma executive visits. So I think that would be the biggest difference: the sentiment and also the action with China biotech is much more positive compared to six months ago and much, much better compared to one year ago. Ruby: And in terms of the recent end-year summaries from industry across biopharma, especially for those with China cash flows or China pipelines or cross-border ambitions, what have been the real questions for you underneath those very optimistic announcements, whether that’s real capital or real partnerships; opportunities and risks, things like that. Leon: In terms of cash flow, think there are very few China originated drugs probably except for Zanubrutinib (Brukinsa) from BeiGene/Beone, and Carvykti (Cilta-cel) from Legend Biotech, who are making profit for Western companies. But most of others were only recently approved, and have not really reported revenue from the Western companies’ earning calls yet. I’m probably more focused on the deal making front, licensing deal or R &D collaborations. For dealmakers, there are always two parts. One part is really for your balance sheet or for your CapEx/upfront payment, and then the milestones, everything biobucks (contingent, milestone-based payments in biotechnology licensing or acquisition deals between large pharma and smaller biotech firms), that’s a different category, which is really important for the Chinese biotechs to talk to their investors, but not necessarily have an immediate impact with the earning calls every quarter. So focusing upfront payments, think if you look at all the deals since the beginning of 2026, the momentum suggests that this year can be bigger than 2025, which was already record breaking year in upfront payments. Biobucks has the same story. Last year, the global BD&L (business development and licensing), the licensed pharmaceutical space, China to West deals contributed to about 49% - about half the total deal value. As a comparison, in 2024, the United States were contributing about 50%, I think 47%. So from 2024 to 2025, the leader in licensing deals changed from United States to China. If you just look in the first two months of 2026 number already, China going to be dominant. It’s pretty clear. it continues. 2. Deal trends: Part 1 Ruby: In the pharmaceutical licenses you just mentioned, the big headline grabbing China-West partnership announcements that we’ve seen over the previous years, and then the burst of attention around January in San Francisco at JPM. In terms of organising the landscape then, what have been key patterns you’ve noticed in assets? any surprises or revisions in terms of modality, whether that’s ADCs versus bi-specifics, or clinical versus pre-clinical stage or buyer type - large foreign MNCs versus funds or other biotechs or even in structures for co-development or M&A, what they’re telling you about demand and innovation progress or pace and talent, or perceptions versus reality? Leon: This is probably gonna take two hours to answer to really give you a little bit of a reasonable description, so I have to force myself to three. The first one I would say is diversity. So the China-to-West deal right now is diversifying away from previously, which pretty much mainly focused on oncology licensing deals. Two years ago, that was pretty much the majority of them. But today is really different. Diversification in terms of disease area. Yes, oncology is likely still number one, probably not far ahead of immunology, if you look at recent deals in the first two months of 2026 . And also obesity is catching up real quick. The format of deals are also diversifying quite a bit: if you go back three years ago, most of the deals would be straightforward license deals. Right now it has so many different flavours (except for straightforward large ticket M&A, which is still not happening very often). Everything else is very similar to what you would say. You have a typical license deal with a preclinical phase one, phase two, phase three assay. Actually this week, Pfizer’s licensed a commercial-ready product from the China biotech Hangzhou Sciwind Biosciences,and I just saw the news that that asset was approved in China, shortly after the deal was closed. So right now Pfizer is a commercial obesity company. So they have a commercial product on the market as of today, because they licensed a late stage asset (Ecnoglutide, a GLP-1 drug) from China. But of course this asset was only approved for Chinese market. So that’s a new development: big Pharma licensed a late-stage asset only for China market! That’s one diversification. Another is: there’s a deal which even with the US biotech companies, rarely happens. Eli Lilly had a deal with Innovent, which is arguably the number one biotech based in China now, by market cap, because BeOne, or what used to be called Beigene, has become a Swiss company. So Innovent has become number one. Innovent and Lilly’s deal: if you look at it, there’s no asset transaction, but upfront payments of $350 million with up to more than $8 billion biobucks - one of the largest deal in 2026. And there were no asset transactions involved. What Eli Lilly really got from this $350 million down payment, is really to have the option to co-develop drugs from target nominations until phase two with Innovent, in oncology and immunology. So what Eli Lilly got is not a specific asset, but Innovent’s capability to develop drugs in immunology and oncology. And a similar situation also happened in the largest deal on record as of today, between CSPC and AstraZeneca. That deal, the first half probably involves four assets in obesity, and the other half is the option to develop another four obesity assets they don’t even have yet. And that deal costs AstraZeneca over $1 billion upfront payment, up to $18.5 billion total value. It’s the largest deal out of China. So those also showed the diversification, also the confidence

    48 min
  2. JAN 30

    Starmer in Beijing: Health, Science and Europe-China Relations - with Professor Kerry Brown

    This week, UK–China relations are back in the spotlight. Keir Starmer is the first British Prime Minister to visit China in 8 years, and his trip is renewing attention on how the UK defines engagement, risk, and cooperation with a country that is now a global producer of frontier technology and innovation, including medical science, pharmaceutical innovation and artificial intelligence. Today’s timely episode looks at the longer relationship between Europe and China that sits underneath moments like this, to understand what responsible engagement can and should look like today and in the future, focusing, of course on health. My guest today is Professor Kerry Brown, an academic, sinologist/historian, former diplomat and prolific author who has spent decades interpreting China for Western audiences. He has written over 20 books on modern Chinese politics (see end of post for list), as well as written for every major international news outlet, and been interviewed by every major news channel. As one of the key voices on China in the West, he is adept at articulating the necessary yet sometimes uncomfortable truths about how such a complex nation can be understood by the rest of the world. Kerry is the Director of the Lau China Institute at King’s College London, where he is also Professor of Chinese Studies, Associate of the Asia Pacific Programme at Chatham House, Adjunct at the Australia New Zealand School of Government in Melbourne, and Co-Editor of the Journal of Current Chinese Affairs. He was previously Professor of Chinese Politics and Director of the China Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, Australia, and directed the Europe China Research and Advice Network. Before that, he worked at the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office for almost a decade, as First Secretary at the British Embassy in Beijing, and then as Head of the Indonesia, Philippine and East Timor Section. He holds a Master of Arts from Gonville and Caius College at Cambridge University and a PhD in Chinese politics and language from Leeds University. Our conversation connects historical context with present-day relevance to explore why medicine, health and science have become some of the most consequential - and least understood - contact zones between the UK and Europe, with China, and how academic institutions are crucial influences on medical knowledge and healthcare delivery for patients everywhere. Listen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts, or watch on Youtube and substack. Substack's newsletter posts provide all links, plus a full text transcript of each episode. Get full access to China Health Pulse at www.chinahealthpulse.com/subscribe

    47 min
  3. JAN 5

    Scaling a Leading Global Biotech from China - with Josh Smiley, President and COO of Zai Lab

    🎧 Here on The ChinaHealthPulse Podcast, I chat in depth with the true experts who have dedicated years to working in and with China’s health - across policy, industry, academia and well beyond. Our candid conversations aim to provide you with real insight into how care is delivered, how decisions are made, and why it all matters, far beyond China’s borders. Watch or listen on the CHP substack newsletter, which provides all links, plus a full text transcript of each episode, and/or subscribe on Spotify & Apple Podcasts. Happy 2026! To welcome in the new year, the CHP Podcast is delighted to be joined by Josh Smiley, President and Chief Operating Officer at Zai Lab 再鼎医药 - one of China’s most globally recognised innovative biotechs. As a seasoned senior executive in the global biopharma landscape, Josh sits directly within the intersection of science, regulation and capital markets - he brings a rare insider’s view into China’s biotech rise. Zai Lab was founded in Shanghai in 2014 and now operates across China and the US (HKEX & NASDAQ dual-listed). It is well known for bringing cutting-edge medicines into China, particularly in areas like immunology, oncology and more recently, neuroscience, while increasingly advancing its own pipeline toward international markets. Since joining Zai Lab in 2022 as President and COO, Josh oversees all aspects of the company’s commercial operations, manufacturing, business development, finance, human resources, information technology, corporate affairs and overall strategy. Prior to Zai Lab, he served as Chief Financial Officer for Eli Lilly, one of the world's largest biopharma multi-national companies. He spent more than 25 years at Lilly, in positions of increasing responsibility, including as senior vice president of finance, corporate controller and treasurer, and in leading US sales and marketing, business development, and mergers and acquisitions. Earlier in his career, he worked in investment banking and consulting, and he holds a BA in History from Harvard University. In our conversation, Josh speaks candidly about the realities of operating inside China’s biotech ecosystem, where ambition meets constraint, and how global innovation is scaled and adapted across borders. It is a wide-ranging and substantive discussion that offers genuinely distinctive insights from someone who is shaping the sector from the inside. Get full access to China Health Pulse at www.chinahealthpulse.com/subscribe

    57 min
  4. 12/01/2025

    Reflecting on World AIDS Day - with Leading China HIV Expert, Professor Joan Kaufman

    🎧This is a special collaboration between Ruby Wang at ChinaHealthPulse and 何流|Liu He at Peking Hotel, to mark World AIDS Day, on 1st December 2025. Today, we are thrilled to welcome Professor Joan Kaufman, one of the world’s leading experts on HIV and China. Joan has spent her career at the intersection of public health, policy and social justice, working across the United Nations, philanthropy and academia. Her work has profoundly shaped how the world understands health, rights, and China’s role in both. Joan first moved to China in 1980, working with the United Nations in Beijing during a pivotal moment when China’s health system was just beginning to reopen to the world. In the 1990s in the Ford Foundation’s Beijing office, she pioneered work on women’s rights, reproductive health and HIV prevention. From 2002 to 2012, she led China programmes for the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, building bridges between Chinese scientists and global vaccine efforts. In academia, Joan has held senior roles at Harvard, Columbia, Brandeis and Tsinghua University. She founded Harvard’s AIDS Public Policy Project, directed Columbia’s Global Center in Beijing, and taught global health and social medicine at Harvard for may years. Today, she serves as Senior Director for Academic Programmes at Schwarzman Scholars, where she mentors emerging global leaders to think critically about China, global health and the world. In today’s special episode, Joan joins us to reflect on the arc of China’s HIV response over the decades, and her life’s work at its heart. Get full access to China Health Pulse at www.chinahealthpulse.com/subscribe

    52 min
  5. 11/14/2025

    China, Global Health & Multilateralism - with the Head of the United Nations for China, Siddharth Chatterjee

    🎧 Here on The ChinaHealthPulse Podcast, I chat in depth with the true experts who have dedicated years to working in and with China’s health - across policy, industry, academia and well beyond. Our candid conversations aim to provide you with real insight into how care is delivered, how decisions are made, and why it all matters, far beyond China’s borders. This second episode of the CHP Podcast welcomes a distinguished guest: someone who has spent decades at the frontlines of public health diplomacy, from refugee camps and conflict zones, to multilateral negotiations in Beijing. I am delighted to share this conversation with my long-time mentor, Siddharth Chatterjee, the United Nations Resident Coordinator in China. As the senior-most representative of the UN Secretary-General in China, Sid leads and coordinates the work of over 26 UN agencies to work with the Chinese government in advancing the Sustainable Development Goals, from health and innovation to development and partnerships. Before taking up this role in 2021, he led as the UN Resident Coordinator in Kenya and earlier as the UNFPA Representative there, spearheading national efforts to reduce maternal mortality and end harmful practices such as child marriage and female genital mutilation. Prior to that, he worked in many regions affected by conflict and crisis across Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East, including for UN peacekeeping, UNICEF, UNOPS and the International Federation of the Red Cross. A Princeton graduate and decorated former Special Forces officer in the Indian Army, Sid is a widely published commentator, speaking and writing regularly on global development and humanitarian issues, as well as on health and wellbeing through meditation and breath-work. Today, he joins us to talk about what it really takes to build trust, drive impact and keep multilateralism relevant in today’s changing global health landscape. Get full access to China Health Pulse at www.chinahealthpulse.com/subscribe

    33 min
  6. Building China's First AI Hospital & Transforming Medical Education - with Prof. Tien-Yin Wong

    10/04/2025

    Building China's First AI Hospital & Transforming Medical Education - with Prof. Tien-Yin Wong

    To kick off the first episode of The ChinaHealthPulse Podcast, I’m delighted to welcome a very special guest indeed: Professor Tien-Yin Wong is an internationally recognised physician-scientist and practicing ophthalmologist, being among the top 1 % highly cited researchers in the world, leading clinical and translational research, innovation, enterprise and industry collaboration. Prof. Wong has trained and worked across East and West: he studied medicine at the National University of Singapore and received his PhD from Johns Hopkins University. Later, he was Chair of Ophthalmology at the University of Melbourne, Medical Director of the Singapore National Eye Center, as well as Vice Dean of Duke-NUS Medical School. He now serves as the Founding Dean and Chair Professor of Tsinghua Medicine, a new academic health system based at China’s top university, where he is leading one of the boldest experiments in health innovation: the creation of China’s first AI hospital. In our conversation, Prof. Wong reflects on his journey across countries and systems, bringing lessons learned from the US, Australia and Singapore, and now to China’s top university. He shares fascinating insights about the similarities and differences between China’s healthcare system and digital ecosystem compared to the West, how to align across siloed Chinese ministries (the perennial challenge for anyone working in China!), and how he is patiently, yet ambitiously, working to achieve these pioneering feats. Get full access to China Health Pulse at www.chinahealthpulse.com/subscribe

    42 min

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