The Deal With Animals with Marika S. Bell Marika S. Bell

"This is a multispecies ethnography, so I'm not treating them like just objects or tools. I recognize that they're living beings with unique personalities."- Heather Frigiola

Episode 5 of Season 7: Animals and the Divine Transcript

In this episode, we dive into the fascinating world of Canine Ministries, where dogs serve alongside their owners in Christian social outreach. Discover the powerful impact of therapy dogs and their unique role in ministry work, as we explore personal stories of comfort, healing, and the remarkable connection between God, humans, and our four-legged friends.

Guest: Heather Frigiola is an aspiring anthropologist and PhD candidate (ABD) at the University of Nevada - Las Vegas, specializing in the study of animals in human culture. Her doctoral dissertation focuses on canine ministries, unraveling the intricate relationship between humans and dogs within these unique religious contexts. With a background in lecturing and volunteering at renowned institutions, Heather brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to her research. Her interdisciplinary approach and passion for understanding human-animal interactions make her a valuable contributor to the field of animal anthropology. Stay tuned for her insights into the cultural significance of canine ministries and their impact on communities.


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"Animal killing looks like a very morally serious act. In those rules about sacrifice and consumption of animals in the Old Testament. And then animal sacrifice, is not saying that animal lives don't matter. It's saying quite reverse. Animals are somehow able to mediate nothing less than a sort of relationship between humans and the divine."- Dr. David Clough



Episode 4 of Series 7: Animal and the Divine Transcript



I'm talking to Dr. David Clough about Souls, Old Testament Animal Welfare, God's Original Vision, and the diversity of life. And why religion is not the problem when it comes to ethical questions and actions of a culture. 



Guest: David L. Clough is Professor in Theology and Applied Sciences at the University of Aberdeen. He is author of the landmark two-volume monograph On Animals (2012, 2019), on the place of animals in Christian theology and ethics. He is Principal Investigator for a three-year AHRC-funded project on the Christian Ethics of Farmed Animal Welfarein partnership with major UK churches, which in 2022 is working with educators to develop learning resources from the project for schools and theological colleges. He founded the DefaultVeg campaign, which promotes a simple policy shift to a vegetarian/vegan default for events catering, and co-founded of CreatureKind, an organization engaging Christians with farmed animal welfare. You can find him @DLClough on Twitter.

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Are we truly giving our furry companions the life they deserve? As pet owners, we often assume that we're providing a safe and comfortable environment for our dogs. However, in this thought-provoking podcast episode, certified dog behavior consultant and author Kim Brophey sheds light on the natural context of animals, particularly dogs, and the costs of captivity on their welfare.

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Guest: Kim Brophey is an applied ethologist and the owner of The Dog Door Behavior Center in Asheville, NC. She is an award-winning dog trainer, a member of several professional associations, and a certified member of the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants. Kim is known for her work on the L.E.G.S. model of integrated canine science, and her book, MEET YOUR DOG, has made her a respected voice in the dog behavior community.

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The sacred status of the cow is so widespread, so institutionalized, so deeply entrenched in Hindu culture, that it is actually quite a central question about the whole notion of Hinduism identity and cows. - Yamini Narayanan


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In this amazing episode we talk about the place of cows -or more pertinently, dairy -  in the Hindu religion. It raises the
question: what does it mean to treat an animal as sacred versus treating an animal humanely? Yamini discusses the consequences of the cow being amplified
as the mother of human life, and how this actually more deeply entrenches the cow into the practice of dairy farming. We hear the story of Krishna and his
love for milk as a child raised in a dairy farm, and think about how ideas of kinship with animals can be exploited.  Importantly though, we also go
back to the origin stories of Hinduism to ask whether there is a place in the Hindu religion to help animals. 

Guest:
Yamini Narayanan is an Associate Professor of International and Community Development at Deakin University, Melbourne. Her work explores the ways in which (other) animals are instrumentalised in sectarian, casteist and fascist ideologies in India, and how animals are also actors and architects of informal urbanisms. Yamini’s research is supported by two Australian Research Council grants. Her newest book Mother Cow, Mother India (2023) is published by Stanford University Press. In 2019, Yamini was awarded the Vice Chancellor’s Award for Mid-Career Research Excellence. In recognition of her work, she was made Fellow of the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics (FOCAE), a distinguished honour that is conferred through nomination or invitation only.

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Episode 2 of Series 7: Animals and The Divine Transcript


I'm talking to Anat Ben-Yonatan, a researcher at Tel Aviv University whose research is as fascinating as it is disturbing. But don't let that scare you away, We won't be going into any detailed descriptions of violence, but we are talking about animal slaughter for the purposes of kosher eating. However this research is less about what happens to the animals and more about the psychology and the place in Jewish society for the slaughterers themselves.


Guest: Anat Ben-Yonatan is a social-sciences informed human-animal scholar and a Research Fellow at the "Coller-Menmon Program for Animal Rights and Welfare" in the Buchmann Faculty of Law, Tel Aviv University. She is the co-founder and a steering committee member of both the human-animal connections forum and of the community for human-animal studies (HASI) under the auspices of the Israeli Anthropological Association, which she also co-chairs since February 2022.

Anat's Doctoral dissertation delved into the life and work of Jewish Israeli Shochtim (slaughterers), in which she looked, among other things, into their attitudes and feelings, as well as their moral schema in concern with shechitah (slaughter).

Anat's main research interest include various forms of interspecies violence, with emphasis on legitimized versus non-legitimized violence of humans against nonhuman animals; and "the save movement" with its educational programs as possible paths to cope with these violent phenomena.

Latest publications:

Ben-Yonatan A. “The knife needs the intention of the heart” The construction of ethnic and moral boundaries in Israeli slaughterhouses. Ethnicities. April 2022. doi:10.1177/14687968221093715

Anat Ben-Yonatan (2022) “Yesterday You Slaughtered Animals, Today You Pity Them”: Ambivalence and Resolution Among Jewish Israeli Slaughterers, Anthrozoös, 35:3, 355-370, DOI: 10.1080/08927936.2021.1996023

Hirsch-Matsioulas, O., Ben-Yonatan, A., Chen, L., Sadetzki, Y., & Shir-Vertesh, D. (2022). Human-Animal Studies in Israel: A Field in the Making, Society & Animals (published online ahead of print 2022). doi: https://doi.org/10.1163/15685306-bja10095


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Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting authors, nonprofits, professionals, academics and enthusiasts about the various disciplines of Anthrozoology.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands


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Episode 1 of Series 7: Animals and the Divine  Transcript

Dr Lisa Kemmerer shares with us the role of animals in a wide range of religions. From deities, tricksters, shapeshifters, emblems and mora agents. Animals are truly one thing that all belief systems have in common.  We discuss the value of indigenous teachings and reciprocity and Lisa gives insight into how to write about religion as an outsider as well as how to engage with your own religion. She also gives us some exclusive insights into her upcoming website.

Guest: Internationally known for her work in animal ethics, Dr. Lisa Kemmerer is the founder of the educational, vegan umbrella organization, Tapestry. With a Master of Theological Studies in Comparative Religions (Harvard) and a Ph.D. in philosophy (specializing in animal ethics at Glasgow University, in Scotland), Kemmerer taught for 20 years at the university level. She has written more than 100 articles/anthology chapters and 10 books, including In Search of Consistency, Animals and World Religions, Sister Species, and Eating Earth. Dr. K retired in July of 2020 to become a full-time social justice activist with Tapestry.

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Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands


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