In this episode, Anna and Johanna sit down with Reo Eveleth to discuss the complex history and ethics of sex testing in elite sports, exploring how policies are manufactured and their impact on athletes' human rights. The conversation covers the evolution of testing methods, institutional biases, and the importance of humanizing athletes' stories. Reo Eveleth is a writer, producer, and artist who explores the relationship between humans and science and technology, particularly why people make the choices they do and how those choices move us closer or further away from a better future. Most recently, Reo wrote, reported, and hosted the Tested podcast, which traced the 100-year history of sex testing in elite sports. Tested received three Sports Podcasting Awards, an Ambie for Best Documentary, a National Headliner Award, a GRAND prize at the New York Festivals, and a nomination for a Peabody Award, and was named a Best Podcast of 2024 by Apple, Vulture, and the New York Times. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 03:04 Reo's Background and Journey to Science Journalism 06:00 Podcasting Process and Idea Generation 10:00 Overview of the Tested Podcast 10:48 The Genesis of the Tested Podcast 14:56 Interview Process and Building Trust with Athletes 23:06 The Impact of Sex Testing on Athletes 24:49 The Evolution of Sex Testing in Sports 30:09 The IOC's New Policy on Sex Testing 34:04 Critique of the IOC's Testing Methods 37:18 The Illusion of Scientific Certainty 39:30 The Burden on Athletes 45:23 ‘Fairness’ and ‘Protection’ in Sports 50:18 The Role of Ethics in Sports Policy 52:23 The Court of Arbitration for Sport 57:11 Consent and Privacy Issues in Testing 01:06:11 Impact on Collegiate Sports Keywords: sex testing, elite sports, human rights, sports policy, intersex athletes, CAS, ethics, sports history, gender categories, athlete advocacy Hosts in this episode: Anna Posbergh & Johanna Mellis ________________________________________ Support & Follow The End of Sport Patreon: patreon.com/Theendofsport (Support the show!) Bluesky: @endofsportpod.bsky.social Instagram: @endofsportpod Twitter/X: @EndofSportPod YouTube: The End of Sport Listen, share, and support The End of Sport, a proud member of the Harbinger Media Network, a community of over sixty leftist podcasts at harbingermedianetwork.com.