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Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.

General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.

But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block.

FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers.

Mike Abrams is an Afghanistan veteran, the founder of FourBlock, and author of two military transition books. He’ll be representing the military transition perspective.

Lindsey Pollak is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey will be representing the civilian perspective of this issue.

Podcast episodes are produced and edited by the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration.

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    • 5.0 • 49 Ratings

Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.

General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.

But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block.

FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers.

Mike Abrams is an Afghanistan veteran, the founder of FourBlock, and author of two military transition books. He’ll be representing the military transition perspective.

Lindsey Pollak is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey will be representing the civilian perspective of this issue.

Podcast episodes are produced and edited by the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration.

    Actionable Advice for Transitioning Into the IT & Cyber Industry

    Actionable Advice for Transitioning Into the IT & Cyber Industry

    This week on the FourBlock Podcast, we welcome U.S. Army Veteran and Senior Program Manager at General Dynamics Information Technology (GDIT)* Gregory (Greg) Doubek. In conversation with FourBlock Founder Mike Abrams, Greg shares why he was called to serve and decided to join the Army, his personal military transition story, and some of the advice he received and lessons learned along the way.
    Greg also raises an important point for those in transition about taking the uniform all the way off and provides guidance on how veterans can adjust to their changing role in the civilian workforce and add value regardless of the type or level of work.
    In addition to his role as Senior Program Manager at GDIT, Greg serves as the co-lead for GDIT’s Veteran Employee Resource Group (Honor ERG), and he provides details about the company’s commitment to supporting transitioning military, veterans, and their families through its military hiring program and Honor ERG. He also shares actionable advice for getting started in the IT and Cyber world, whether you have experience in that field or you’re transitioning fields entirely.
    Greg was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in the US Army in 1991. He has a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science and Art from the University of Vermont, and a Master's of Science in Telecommunications from the University of Colorado at Boulder.
    Following his 26 years of service as a US Army Signal Officer, Greg joined the General Dynamics Information Technology Team and is currently a Senior Program Manager, managing two Multiple Award Task Order Contracts with a contract ceiling totaling over $25B. 
    If you are close to your transition from the military, Greg would welcome a connection via LinkedIn to talk about transition and career goals.
    Connect with Greg on LinkedIn at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregdoubek/.   
     
    *GDIT is a sponsor of FourBlock’s Veteran Career Readiness Program. 
     
    ABOUT US
    Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.
    General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.
    But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block. 
    FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers. 
    Mike Abrams (@fourblock) is an Afghanistan veteran, founder of FourBlock, and author of two military transition books. He represents the military transition perspective.
    Lindsey Pollak (@lindsaypollak) is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey represents the civilian perspective of this issue. 
    Veterans, explore new industries and make the right connections. Find a career that fits your calling. Join us at fourblock.org/
    Sponsor our program or host a class to equip more of our veterans at fourblock.org/donate.

    Follow FourBlock on Social Media 
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    Podcast episodes are produced and edited in part by the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration.
     

    • 30 min
    Inside the Veteran Hiring Process at a Leading Global Aerospace Company

    Inside the Veteran Hiring Process at a Leading Global Aerospace Company

    This week on the FourBlock Podcast, we welcome The Boeing Company’s* Shane R. Chapman and Devon Rumsey, who give us an in-depth look at Boeing’s commitment to supporting veterans in transition and share actionable advice for veterans and military spouses interested in beginning a new career with the company. 
    A U.S. Army Veteran with 30 years of service, Shane now leads the Boeing Global Services Military and Veterans Program (BGS MVP), providing guidance and support to veterans and military spouse candidates and referring them to be seen by a hiring manager for interviews.
    After more than nine years in the U.S. Navy from 2013-2022, Devon currently serves as a Workforce Development Specialist at Boeing Commercial Airplanes, where he works to create pipelines with organizations and military stakeholders to aid transitioning service members and military spouses in finding gainful employment across The Boeing Company.
    A sponsoring partner of FourBlock since 2018, Boeing has played a significant role in helping FourBlock expand programming in Washington, D.C. and along along the West Coast. The company has also provided support for the Military Spouse Career Readiness Program as well as the Career Readiness Coach program, which connects working professionals with current FourBlock participants to provide them one-to-one guidance and feedback and to ensure that each veteran is on a path to success during their transition. Boeing has hosted multiple class sessions for FourBlock’s Veteran Career Readiness Program across the country.
    Shane R. Chapman is an Army Veteran with 30 years of Service and a master’s degree in Organizational Leadership. He has lead organizations from the platoon to brigade levels. Shane has spent several tours of duty in Europe and has more than 8 years of operational and combat deployments.
    As a notable military assignment, Shane was selected by the Chief of Staff of the Army to create the Soldier for Life Program. In this role, he partnered with government agencies, private companies, and universities to create hundreds of public-private partnerships now known as the Career Skills Programs.
    Shane started his career with Boeing in 2019. Initially, he served as a strategic advisor on leadership development and training to Boeing Global Services. He now works in Human Resources, focused on sourcing, recruiting, and hiring Veteran talent.
    Devon spent just over nine years in the Navy from 2013-2022 and a Nuclear Electrician 1st Class on Submarines. He spent four years on the USS Pittsburg in Connecticut where he deployed three times to the European area of command. Devon finished up his service with three years in Navy recruiting in Seattle Washington where he ran three regional offices.
    He came to Boeing in April of 2022 after separating from the Navy and currently serves as a Workforce Development Specialist whose main role is to create pipelines with organizations and military stakeholders to aid in transitioning service members and military spouses find gainful employment across The Boeing Company.  
    To learn more about how The Boeing Company supports veterans and their families, visit https://jobs.boeing.com/veterans. 
    Note: At the bottom of the page, you can find the direct link to the Military and Veterans Program candidate portal where you can receive 1 on 1 support with your Boeing career journey, as well the link to the Boeing SkillBridge portal.
     
    *The Boeing Company is a national sponsor of FourBlock’s Veteran Career Readiness Program.  
    Find Shane on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-chapman-boeing-mvp/ 
    Find Devon on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devon-rumsey-0143aa229/ 
    ABOUT US
    Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.
    General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping,

    • 36 min
    From CO to CEO: Transition Advice and Leadership Insights from a Retired U.S. Navy Captain

    From CO to CEO: Transition Advice and Leadership Insights from a Retired U.S. Navy Captain

    Transitioning service members, do you know how to make the most of your military training once you transition into the civilian workforce?  
    Corporate leaders, do know how to optimize your veteran employees’ potential for success?   
    That’s why author and consultant Captain William Toti, US Navy (Retired) and former CEO of Sparton Corporation, wrote “From CO to CEO: A Practical Guide for Transitioning from Military to Industry Leadership.” 
    With more than 26 years of service in the U.S. Navy and more than 40 years of experience in the defense industry, Captain Toti joins FourBlock Founder Mike Abrams on this week’s episode of The FourBlock Podcast to share his personal experience, professional expertise, and practical insights to help transitioning service members make the most of their military training and learn what more is needed to rise up the ranks in the C-suite. For employers, he also shares what corporate leaders can do to maximize the potential for their veteran employees’ success. 
    Captain Toti has more than 40 years of experience in defense. In three years as CEO of Sparton, he was able to restructure and double the company’s value, taking it through the sale of Sparton by Cerberus Capital Management to Elbit Systems of America. Prior to joining Sparton he spent more than a decade running multi-billion-dollar global defense businesses, for both products and services, including as president of the Integrated Maritime Systems sector at L3, as vice president of the defense segment of HP, HPE, and DXC, as president of Cubic Global Defense, and as vice president of Raytheon’s Mission Support Operations. He has served on Boards of Directors of ERAPSCO, JT3, and the Italian defense company Calzoni. 
    Captain Toti also served for more than 26 years in the U.S. Navy, including tours as commander of Fleet Antisubmarine Warfare Command Norfolk, as commodore of Submarine Squadron 3, and as commanding officer of the nuclear fast attack submarine USS Indianapolis (SSN-697). He served for more than nine years in the Pentagon, including tours as special assistant to the Vice Chief of Naval Operations, as Navy representative to the Joint Requirements Oversight Council, and as deputy director of the Navy War Plans Cell, Deep Blue. Mr. Toti is the creator/author of the US Navy’s current “Full Spectrum Antisubmarine Warfare” concept of operations. 
    Captain Toti holds a bachelor’s degree in physics from the U.S. Naval Academy, a master’s degree in spacecraft systems engineering, the pre-doctoral Electrical Engineer degree from the Naval Postgraduate School, and has done executive coursework at the Harvard Business School. He served as a Federal Executive Fellow at the Brookings Institution and as a Massachusetts Institute of Technology Seminar XXI Fellow in International Affairs. He has more than 30 published articles and op-ed pieces and was the U.S. Naval Institute Author of the Year in 2001. He was a 2012 member of the White House Roundtable on Military Credentialing in support of an initiative to help transitioning service members receive civilian credentials and licenses. 
    Captain Toti has worked to support the survivors of the World War II cruiser USS Indianapolis (CA-35) for more than 25 years, was named an honorary survivor and their honorary captain in 2005, and has been featured in several global release documentaries on that storied ship, including “USS Indianapolis: Live from the Deep” (2017, PBS), “USS Indianapolis: Legacy Project” (2016, Tiny Horse Productions), and “USS Indianapolis: the Final Chapter” (2019, PBS). 
    His narrative titled “Antoinette,” describing his experiences during the September 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon was incorporated into the book Operation Homecoming, published by Random House (2006). He was featured in the 2016 PBS documentary, “9/11: Inside the Pentagon” and the 2020 History Channel documentary “9/11: The Pentagon.”, an

    • 48 min
    Retired Veteran Continues to Serve Defense Industry by Providing Security Services Nationwide

    Retired Veteran Continues to Serve Defense Industry by Providing Security Services Nationwide

    U.S. Army Veteran David Touchton served in Operation Enduring Freedom, deploying to the Middle East on September 9, 2001, just two days before the September 11 attack. On the FourBlock Podcast this week, David shares the impact that had on him and his fellow service members, his career path, and his commitment to continuing to pay it forward to fellow veterans today.

    David spent several years in the Army before receiving an honorable discharge due to an injury and going into the private sector. He held multiple positions of escalating responsibility as a Facility Security Officer before making the leap to launch his own security company. Founded in 2013, FSO Services helps companies ensure the best security posture against today’s modern threats.

    In conversation with host Mike Abrams, David explains how he transitioned into a career in industrial security and how he got the idea to start his company serving clients that work with the Department of Defense. He identifies some of the biggest challenges and threats that clients could face as they safeguard national security information and how FSO Services helps resolve them.

    To close out the episode, David shares the reasons he feels veterans have an advantage when transitioning into industrial security and what steps they can take to successfully move into the industry.
     
    ABOUT US
    Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.
    General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.
    But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block. 
    FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers. 
    Mike Abrams (@fourblock) is an Afghanistan veteran, founder of FourBlock, and author of two military transition books. He represents the military transition perspective.
    Lindsey Pollak (@lindsaypollak) is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey represents the civilian perspective of this issue. 
    Veterans, explore new industries and make the right connections. Find a career that fits your calling. Join us at fourblock.org/
    Sponsor our program or host a class to equip more of our veterans at fourblock.org/donate.

    Follow FourBlock on Social Media 
    LinkedIn
    Facebook
    Instagram
    Twitter
    Podcast episodes are produced and edited in part by the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration.
     

    • 23 min
    How Employers Build a Stronger Workforce by Hiring Veterans

    How Employers Build a Stronger Workforce by Hiring Veterans

    How can employers go beyond thanking a veteran for their service?

    Retired Air Force LtCol Kathy Lowrey Gallowitz has devoted her post-military career to equipping civilans to become Veteran Champions. With hosts Lindsey Pollak and Mike Abrams, Kathy shares personal insights from her upbringing as a Navy ‘brat,’ her nearly 30-year career in the Air Force as a Public Affairs Officer and Nurse, and experiences educating and engaging civilians in support of troops and their families in response to 9/11.

    Noticing how different her experiences and mindset were from most Americans, and observing the pride civilians feel when serve Veterans meaningfully, Kathy discusses why she is compelled to narrow the military civilian divide and equip people who have never served in the military to become Veteran Champions. She shares best practices for employers and actionable advice for individual employees and company recruiters to move from veteran friendly to veteran ready.

    An award-winning businesswoman, Kathy coaches employers how to improve their bottom line by excelling at hiring and retaining Veteran talent, and as a thought leader pioneer, she equips volunteers to build Military Ministries to cultivate a sense of belonging and promote spiritual resiliency for military-connected people. Master’s degrees in Nursing and Political Science frame her practice and perspectives. She is also a John Maxwell trained speaker, trainer, and coach. She is the author of “Beyond ‘Thank You For your Service,’ The Veteran Champion Handbook for Civilians.”

    While not serving in uniform, Gallowitz established and managed Buckeye Sports and Orthopedic Specialists and was the President of the Pickerington Area Chamber of Commerce. She has first-hand experience hiring Veterans.

    As the owner of Vanguard Veteran, she equips civilians to become Veteran Champions as the “Veteran-hiring Concierge” and “Military Ministry Builder.”

    Kathy serves on the Veteran-hiring Advisor for the Arizona Society of Human Resource Mangement, member of the Southwest Veteran Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors and Chair, Arizona Governor’s Veterans’ Service Advisory Commission. Her husband, Ed is a retired career active-duty soldier with four combat tours. Together they have six sons, one daughter and three grandchildren.

    Vanguard Veteran Overview:
    https://vanguardveteran.start.page

    Complimentary "Veteran-Ready" Employer Assessment:
    https://vanguardveteran.files.wordpress.com/2022/07/may-2021_-vr-employer-assessment.pdf

    Vanguard Veteran's Employer Consulting and Training:
    https://vanguardveteran.com/veteran-champion-consulting-training/

    Invite Vanguard Veteran to Speak:
    https://vanguardveteran.com/invite-me-to-speak/

    O*Net Online Mlitary Crosswalk Search:
    https://www.onetonline.org/crosswalk/MOC/

    “Beyond ‘Thank you For Your Service:’ the Veteran Champion handbook for civilians:” https://bit.ly/BeyondThankYouForYourService
    Society of Human Resource Management Veterans free at Work Certificate:
    https://www.shrm.org/foundation/ourwork/initiatives/engaging-and-integrating-military-veterans/PublishingImages/Pages/Inclusion-Captains-Veterans/Veterans%20at%20Work%20flyer.pdf

    Women Who Lead: A monthly free virtual Leadership Discussion Forum for women Veterans and non-Veterans that I facilitate to empower women leaders and foster mutual support. We hope you will join us! Register here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/137542143253
     
    ABOUT US
    Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.
    General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.
    But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block. 
    FourBlock is a national non-profit that

    • 30 min
    Character and Competence: Leadership Insights from an Architectural Engineering and Construction Industry CEO

    Character and Competence: Leadership Insights from an Architectural Engineering and Construction Industry CEO

    This week on the FourBlock Podcast, we welcome U.S. Navy Veteran Eric Quinn, the CEO of full-service construction consultancy KMI International. In conversation with FourBlock Founder Mike Abrams, Eric discusses his time in the Navy, sharing why he joined, how it changed the trajectory of his career, and the leadership skills he gained during his service. He takes us through his transition to the business world, his move to the Architectural Engineering and Construction (AEC) industry, and how he worked his way to where he is today.

    Throughout the episode, Eric provides invaluable insights on leadership and building trust, sharing his personal experience from his time in service military and his successful career. To close out the episode, Mike asks Eric what advice he has for transitioning service members as well as any veterans looking to start a career in the AEC space.

    Eric Quinn leads KMI as the company’s CEO. His leadership career began at an early age while he attended the U.S. Naval Academy and served his country as a Lieutenant in the Navy, learning quickly the importance of having the right team in place to accomplish the mission.
    His focus is on having the best people, processes, and organizational structure in place to deliver the highest quality of services for KMI’s clients. Eric will tell you that one of his primary focuses is maximizing the potential in people he leads to ensure KMI is a distinct company with a stellar reputation, thus becoming the most sought-after employer in the industry.

    Eric held leadership positions in several organizations, including Procter & Gamble, ES3, and President of GBI Tile and Stone, before coming to KMI to serve as the company’s COO, later being promoted to CEO. His background in mathematics gives him a strong understanding of figures and analytics, but he also has extensive experience in business development and generating revenue.
    His proudest accomplishments included turning around a former company in order to save hundreds of jobs, as well as helping facilitate a partnership between his current company, KMI, and the School of Architecture and Engineering Technology at Florida A&M University (FAMU). The partnership includes a student chapter of the Construction Management Association of America (CMAA), and guest lectures by KMI to mentor the next generation of construction managers and give them the tools they need to succeed.
    Eric has a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics from the United States Naval Academy and a Master of Business Administration from the University of Florida.
     
    ABOUT US
    Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.
    General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.
    But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block. 
    FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers. 
    Mike Abrams (@fourblock) is an Afghanistan veteran, founder of FourBlock, and author of two military transition books. He represents the military transition perspective.
    Lindsey Pollak (@lindsaypollak) is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey represents the civilian perspective of this issue. 
    Veterans, explore new industries and make the right connections. Find a career that fits your calling. Join us at fourblock.org/
    Sponsor our program or host a class to equip more of our veterans at fourblock.org/donate.

    Follow FourBlock on Social Media 
    LinkedIn
    Facebook
    Instagram
    Twitter
    Podcast episodes are produced and edited in part by the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration.
     

    • 35 min

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