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News junkie Marty Duren and veteran journalist Bob Smietana discuss trending news stories with eyes on religion reporting, fake news, and good journalism.

The Fourth Estate Marty Duren, Bob Smietana

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News junkie Marty Duren and veteran journalist Bob Smietana discuss trending news stories with eyes on religion reporting, fake news, and good journalism.

    The Incredibles 2 rant, family separation, and Episcopal church property woes—The Fourth Estate, Ep.31

    The Incredibles 2 rant, family separation, and Episcopal church property woes—The Fourth Estate, Ep.31

    On this episode Marty and Bob review a movie review, discuss the recent family separations at the border, and explore an Episcopal church property dispute.



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    Show Notes:

    The Wicked Awesome

    “Incredibles 2,” Reviewed: A Sequel in the Shadow of a Masterwork, The New Yorker

    Review: The Authoritarian Populism of “Incredibles 2, The New Yorker

    News You Need to Know

    The Clinical Case for Keeping Families Together, The Atlantic

    Enforce the Border—Humanely, The Atlantic

    Jon Kyl’s Art of the Deal, Weekly Standard

    Tent cities cost millions more than keeping migrant kids with parents, NBC News

    The God Beat: Religion in the News

    Episcopalians have to give back 29 churches in South Carolina, Post and Courier

    • 37 min
    Marty and Bob Talk About the News—The Fourth Estate, Ep.30

    Marty and Bob Talk About the News—The Fourth Estate, Ep.30

    On this delayed episode Marty and Bob discuss various topics that were in the news three weeks ago.



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    Show Notes:

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    • 37 min
    Waffle House Hero, Gaza Mass Protests, the Bible in California—The Fourth Estate, Ep.29

    Waffle House Hero, Gaza Mass Protests, the Bible in California—The Fourth Estate, Ep.29

    On this episode Marty Duren and Bob Smietana discuss James Shaw, hero of the Waffle House shooting; the IDF response to the Gaza protests; and several God Beat stories.



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    Show Notes:

    The Wicked Awesome

    Waffle House Hero raising money for victims (218K so far), ABC News



    James Shaw money for victims GoFundMe page

    News You Need to Know

    Israeli court hears live fire case, +972Mag



    IDF arrests top Palestinian non-violent protester, +972Mag



    Deaths in the Gaza protests, +972Mag



    Most Gaza Deaths Unintentional, per Israeli official, Haaretz

    The God Beat: Religion in the News

    California is still not banning the Bible, Facts & Trends



    80 percent of Americans believe in God—but many of them really mean the Force, Facts & Trends



    When Americans Say They Believe in God, What Do They Mean?, Pew Research



    Museum of the Bible and Hobby Lobby return stolen artifacts, NPR

    • 32 min
    Flight 1308, Pearl Joy Brown, and the Disintegration of Bill Hybels—The Fourth Estate, Ep.28

    Flight 1308, Pearl Joy Brown, and the Disintegration of Bill Hybels—The Fourth Estate, Ep.28

    On this episode Marty and Bob discuss the heroic pilot, Tammie Jo Shults, the beautiful life and haunting death of Pearl Joy Brown, and the disintegration of Bill Hybels.



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    Show Notes:

    The Wicked Awesome

    Jesus, Take the Control Wheel: Southwest Pilot Saw Flying as Ministry, Christianity Today

    News You Need to Know

    The Joy of Being Weak: Saying Goodbye to Pearl Joy Brown, Facts & Trends

    Religion in the News: The God Beat

    Bill Hybels Accused of Sexual Misconduct by Former Willow Creek Leaders, Christianity Today

    Willow Creek Promises Investigation Amid New Allegations Against Bill Hybels, Christianity Today

    • 35 min
    Dead Russians in Syria, Frankenstein, and What is a fact?—The Fourth Estate, Ep.27

    Dead Russians in Syria, Frankenstein, and What is a fact?—The Fourth Estate, Ep.27

    On this episode Marty and Bob discuss the misunderstood Frankenstein, the blessing of the AK-47s, Russian deaths in a skirmish in Syria, and the meaning of “facts.”



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    Show Notes:

    The Wicked Awesome

    Students understand Frankenstein better than media, Buzzfeed

    News You Need to Know

    Americans and Russians Fought a Battle in Syria—It’s Time to Care, National Review

    What happened between the coalition and the regime in the countryside of Deir Ezzor, Euphrates Post

    The Truth About the Russian Deaths in Syria, Spiegel

    The God Beat

    The Moonie Gun Church, aka, Blessing of the AK-47s, Philly.com

    • 43 min
    The Media Bias Chart, feat. Vanessa Otero—The Fourth Estate, Ep.26

    The Media Bias Chart, feat. Vanessa Otero—The Fourth Estate, Ep.26

    On this episode Marty and Bob welcome Vanessa Otero, creator of the Media Bias Chart, and founder of the All Generalizations are False blog, to talk about news, reporting, and bias.



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    Guest Bio:

    Venessa Otero is a practicing patent attorney in the Denver, Colorado area. She has a B.A. in English from UCLA and a J.D. from the University of Denver. She has been thinking about, studying, and writing about media assessment and categorization for the past couple of years. The present media landscape is unlike anything that has existed before, thus, the very concept and field of systematic “media categorization” in the digital era is nascent. Journalists themselves are engaged in figuring out how to report better in this new landscape; Vanessa is focused on defining what the landscape is. She believes the field of media categorization will need to be developed over the coming years so readers can cope with all the information available now, and she hopes to contribute to this endeavor significantly.

    Show Notes:

    MediaBiasChart.com

    The Media Bias Chart explainer

    The Media Bias Chart

    • 23 min

Customer Reviews

PhillipOKC ,

Facts are friends

The most important attribute to a democracy (or democratically elected republic, if we are splitting hairs) is an informed electorate. As the media realized that money was to be made in making people anxious, fearful, or emotional, the Fourth Estate suffered. This is why Marty’s show is imperative.

atr1300 ,

Succinct and helpful

Marty peels back the layers of media agendas, bias, click bait, and general irresponsibility to find what is accurate and helpful. Because facts matter.

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Excellent Podcast

A thoughtful, fact-based podcast. Marty speaks about issues that are important but that either are being misrepresented or ignored by national media. His “Drive Time” podcasts are excellent. They are 11-13 minute podcasts that touch on two or three issues in a precise but informative manner. I give this podcast 5 stars because I appreciate the information I receive each time I listen to The Fourth Estate.

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