TGM is a podcast about meaning, disguised as a podcast about entrepreneurship. It’s a bright-eyed and sweary look at what it takes to do work that matters.
Rob Walling on Finding Your Purpose and How to Actually Enjoy Your Life
Rob Walling is a man of many talents. Over the course of his career he has been an programmer, a freelancer, a bootstrapper, a business owner, an author, a speaker, a podcaster. The list goes on...
A few years back he founded Drip (and email marketing company), which he later sold to LeadPages. It's a path that many of us aspire to.
But what I loved about Rob's story was his realization that there are different kinds of freedom, and what we think will make us happy in the beginning, almost never does, and changes dramatically with the passage of time.
We talked about the struggle of finding meaning and purpose in our lives and how that relates to our work, as well as Rob's own realizations about what really matters and why it takes so long to figure that out.
I thought we were going to talk a lot about entrepreneurship and building meaningful business. And while, we did talk about that, our conversation ended up being a littler more philosophical (which are my favorite kinds of conversations).
I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did. There's a lot to glean here.
Rob Walling: @robwallingThe Gently Mad: @tgmpodcastAdam Clark: @avclark
Matt Giovcanisci on Getting Comfortable with Who You Are, and Making Your Own Rules
Matt Giovanisci is one those guys that I can talk to for hours. We have a ton in common, but just enough differences that it stays interesting.
A lot has changed since his first appearance on the show, which you can listen to back in episode ??. I feel like we've both changed in some very similar ways since then. Where last time there seemed to be a lot of doubt and questioning, now there's assurance and confidence.
And I think some of that only comes with certain amount of life experience.
We talked about all the different projects we've both been involved in and, what the ultimate point of it all is, and how all these different interests and projects are connected.
If you think of yourself as a generalist, or as the kind of person who really enjoys doing a lot of different things, this episode is for you. I'm definitely that kind of person and sometimes it can feel like I'm trying to do a million different things, and doing none of them well.
We got into that exact issue and wether or not it's even possible to do a lot of different things well. I think Matt is a clear example that it is possible. But it takes time and hard work.
He also just launched a new show, which was kind of the impetus for this conversation.
28:28 - Chewbacca Bob
31:14 - The Hugh Hefner of pool care
47:04 - Why you shouldn't do what everyone else is doing
71:40 - What to do you when you fail
98:36 - What connects it all
122:37 - There's no such thing as a bad idea
More about Matt
Matt's new podcast
Justin Jackson on Therapy for Entrepreneurs, Ego, and Coming Back from the Bottom
Justin Jackson is no stranger to this show. Technically this is only his second appearance (check out his first episode nearly four years ago), but there are hours of recorded conversations floating around my hard drive.
I always enjoy talking to Justin. Despite how much we have in common, he always helps me see things from a fresh and different angle. And his episode was no exception.
Every time we talk, it's like catching up with an old friend. And even though we only just met in person for the first time at MicroConf in Las Vegas, he is indeed someone I would consider an old friend.
Justin's career has spanned the gamut of the product, start up and SaaS worlds. He's an author, podcaster, educator and most recently a SaaS founder.
There's no bonus episode this week because I decided to release the entire conversation. At just over 120 minutes, it's a long one, but worth listening to.
Our conversation ranged from parenting, to business building, to the things that hold us back as entrepreneurs, to why every entrepreneur should have a therapist, and literally everything you could imagine in-between.
These are my favorite kinds of episodes, because there's so much to glean from a guy like Justin about life in general.
I hope you love it as much as I do.
Note: Yesterday I released a two-minute teaser of some of the most fun bits from the show. Here it is as well:
Min 25:05 - The power of podcasting
Min 38:45 - Why it’s important to evaluate what we’re putting out into the world
Min 53 - A surprising realizing about people
Min 67:22 - The time to get support is before you really need it
Min 71:12 - How Justin came back from bottoming out
Min 79:09 - Everything is a balancing act between chaos and order
Min 87:47 - How to move forward when everything falls apart
Min 92:45 - Why you're not winning
Min 101:08 - Ego is the enemy
Min 102:37 - The disaster of always running from discomfort
Min 125:52 - Maslow's hierarchy of needs for businesses
Min 128:47 - What if you had to completely start over?
Bits & Bytes Mentioned in the Show
Justin's first appearance on TGM
Startups For the Rest of Us
Billy Corgan on The Joe Rogan Experience
Billy Corgan Disney meme
Will Smith on Fault vs Responsibility
The Fizzle Show
The Gently Mad Trailer
The Gently Mad is a podcast about meaning, disguised as a podcast about entrepreneurship. It’s a bright-eyed and sweary look at what it takes to make a living on the internet (and still sleep at night).
The Many Voices of Justin Jackson
Paul Jarvis on Learning by Doing and Forging Your Own Path
Paul Jarvis is back! This is third or fourth time I think. We always have a lot of fun and this conversation was no different. Paul is a long-time web designer turned author and product maker. He has handful of great courses you should check out.
We talked a lot about the difference between an idea and an actual business, what makes our businesses sustainable for the long haul, and the discipline it takes to do something well.
Like last week, the bonus episode was as long as the main episode and we covered the specifics of how Paul uses podcasting to grow and engage his audience. As well the specific strategies he's using to make a full-time living from his courses.
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One of my favorites.
Adam's "ramblings" are great. So entertaining, so real, and actually very actionable.
Great podcast. Keep it up!
Apparently I can review my own podcast?
Wow. Ok, um, you should totally listen because I, I mean, Adam, is such a great podcaster. I’m, dammit, *He’s* probably the best podcaster there ever was in all the land.
Probably. Definitely maybe.
May this podcast be a balm to your soul.