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A podcast where we hope to tackle the large and weighty tomes of great (or not so great) fiction we find pertinent to the modern world – heretofore to be referred to as Hell World. Each season of the podcast will tackle either one large work or one author, dissecting what makes them lasting and important to the modern hellscape.

KoE is a group of podcasting sad bastards consisting of Wade Bowen, James Nolen, and Hugh Crawford.

For Season 1, we read the entire 600k word 1300pg doorstop by Alan Moore named Jerusalem (2016).
For Season 2: Fall; or, Dodge in Hell by Neal Stephenson (2019)

The Hashish and Superiority Book Club Kickers of Elves

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A podcast where we hope to tackle the large and weighty tomes of great (or not so great) fiction we find pertinent to the modern world – heretofore to be referred to as Hell World. Each season of the podcast will tackle either one large work or one author, dissecting what makes them lasting and important to the modern hellscape.

KoE is a group of podcasting sad bastards consisting of Wade Bowen, James Nolen, and Hugh Crawford.

For Season 1, we read the entire 600k word 1300pg doorstop by Alan Moore named Jerusalem (2016).
For Season 2: Fall; or, Dodge in Hell by Neal Stephenson (2019)

    Richard Power's The Overstory and American Chernobyl

    Richard Power's The Overstory and American Chernobyl

    James and Hugh talk about The Punisher's computer guy, America's Chernobyl, and mostly Richard Power's The Overstory.  
    Want more of these conversations? To hear Wade's eventual thoughts on The Overstory? Check out the Kickers of Elves patreon at https://patreon.com/kickersofelves

    • 29 min
    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Part 11 - This is the Way the World Ends

    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Part 11 - This is the Way the World Ends

    A hollow man? 
    The Quest is completed. We finally put Bitworld to rest.
    How many books are in this book?  Again, themes are questioned. 
    Fantasy forms are discussed before the big wrap up.  Final feelings -and the book- are put to rest. 
    And no, Chris Brown did not sing on that one song.  
    If you have your own opinions to share:
    917 408 3898
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    • 55 min
    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Part 10 - Conflict Really Escalates in this One

    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Part 10 - Conflict Really Escalates in this One

    We go full reaility show drama/American Chopper Meme with this one.

    • 48 min
    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Part 9 - Turtles All the Way Down

    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Part 9 - Turtles All the Way Down

    The regular James returns.  Is it the same podcast on down throughout every reality?
    First, a synopsis! We haven’t actually done many of those.    Are you ready for some hot logging action? 
    Do we live in simulation?   Is it turtles all the way down? 
    Is there some Snow Crash in this? 
    Work and labor!  Do the economics of this book fall flat?    Is this a libertarian text?   
    Is Bitworld’s similarity to our world the point? 
    How confounding is this to the general reader?  Do other books have a more balanced perspective?  Should the book be testing its own thesis in its text?     
    Does it always come back to Ursula K. LeGuin?   
    Is this like reading a Foundation book?   
    Is this book a complete antithesis to Alan Moore’s Jerusalem on a number of levels? 
    Is Fantasy as a genre necessarily synonymous with Adventure?   
    But enough of our opinions: What do other Stephenson fans at r/sciencefiction think about how his books end?
    How does having  kids affect one’s desire for a tight plot structure?  Do unemotional/emotional  20 year olds have a better tolerance or patience for long books of this nature? 
    So many questions.
    RATE the podcast. Mind your consonants, people! 
    Listeners from Season 1 can check out the patreon for a few cut regarding Alan Moore's Jerusalem
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    • 1 hr
    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Part 8 - A Gnostic Simulation

    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Part 8 - A Gnostic Simulation

    We experienced a loss with this episode.  There may, however, be a technological solution.  Listen for a note at the top of the episode to explain further, but the short is:
    A routine procedure went awry.  James is Gone (No, he's not!) Maybe he is here, in some sense.
    What exactly does Gnosticism have to do with Dodge in Hell?  Quite a lot it turns out!
    We read the beginning of Book 2 of Fall for this installment, but even if you haven't read it that's ok.  It's a book about a simulated afterlife.  Lets talk about simulations and their worth.  
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    • 50 min
    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Parts 6 and 7 - Arguing about the Afterlife

    Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: Parts 6 and 7 - Arguing about the Afterlife

    Book One ends, but we're still arguing the premise of the book.
    How is this thing structured anyway? 
    All about El’s name. 
    Paradise Lost, huh?  Does Milton’s view of history have anything to do with this book?  What are we supposed to derive from Paradise Lost similarities? Oh boy, here’s where we start going off the rails. 
    If Maeve refers to a brain “simulation” does that completely negate the conceit of a digital afterlife?  What is the humanity of this book?  Is it a dog staring at your finger?  Are these people dead or not?   More arguing about “Brain in a Jar” stories. 
    Is this all leading to characters suiciding themselves, or just Pluto? 
    Did this book need more philosophical underpinnings explained?
    Is the book sympathetic to human experience or is the humanty’s next hurdle getting over our meat bodies? 
    Is this the fall of an idealist after all the rich guys suck up to Trump? 
    The cold horniness of the scifi writer.  A lack of character interiority. 
    Is bitworld boring or an enjoyable  read?
    Is it a problem when scifi writers are overly cerebral, or is that an unfair knock from literary fiction fans?    
    Arguing digital religion with friends. 
    For all the disagreement, we can agree that the trans character is done very wrong.  Way to misread the room.  She’s not treated with the contempt that HR people are subjected to at least. 
    Let us know what you think. And check out the patreon for material cut from this episode
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    • 59 min

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Bogmad ,

Jerusalem is a pretty great book

Reading it with a group really eases the fearful immensity of it all

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