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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

The National Security Law Podcast Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck

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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

    Episode 173: This Is John Roberts’s Podcast

    Episode 173: This Is John Roberts’s Podcast

    We’re back, with a Supreme-Court focused episode!  Tune in for:



    * The Supreme Court’s twin decisions in the New York grand jury and Congressional subpoena cases

    * The consequences of those decisions for related litigation such as the Don McGahn subpoena case

    * The McGirt decision on the Muskogee nation’s control of territory in eastern Oklahoma

    * The petition for en banc review in the Michael Flynn case



    As for frivolity, how could it be anything other than the Hamilton movie?

    • 1 hr 17 min
    Episode 172: Cleanup on Aisle Trump!

    Episode 172: Cleanup on Aisle Trump!

    This week on NSL Podcast, co-hosts Steve Vladeck and Bobby Chesney review and debate the latest national security legal news, including:



    * Russian “bounties” on U.S. forces in Afghanistan, including (theoretical) legal implications

    * A district court ruling finding the government lacks sufficient evidence to hold Adham Hassoun under Section 412 of the USA Patriot Act

    * The Julian Assange prosecution: new fact allegations that might help distinguish his situation from that of conventional journalists

    * An actual bill in the Senate addressing the “going dark”/Crypto Wars 2.0 debate: The Lawful Access to Encrypted Data Act

    * SCOTUS roundup: Article II and the power to remove; extraterritorial constitutional rights; Congressional access to grand jury material; the Alien Tort Statute, foreign sovereign immunity



    And for frivolity?  In honor of the upcoming Disney+ stream of Hamilton, we consider the song (with a strong assist from Kirk Hamilton’s Strong Songs podcast).

    • 1 hr 2 min
    Episode 171: There’s a Spectrum of Corruption

    Episode 171: There’s a Spectrum of Corruption

    We’re back with an evening recording, as co-hosts Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck weigh in on:



    * The D.C. Circuit’s Mike Flynn ruling, and the likely path ahead

    * The bizarre process of removing SDNY US Attorney Geoffrey Berman

    * The Bolton book ruling

    * The Veterans Memorial Preservation Act

    * PCLOB’s FISA session earlier this week

    * The SCOTUS ruling on Expedited Removal and the Suspension Clause



    And then we gripe, a bunch, about rules MLB did and did not adopt for their upcoming rump season.

    • 1 hr 21 min
    Episode 170: This Podcast Is Not Subject to (Prior) Restraint

    Episode 170: This Podcast Is Not Subject to (Prior) Restraint

    In the latest episode of the National Security Law Podcast, co-hosts Professors Steve Vladeck and Bobby Chesney discuss:



    * Juneteenth, the Emancipation Proclamation, and War Powers

    * DOJ’s doomed effort to get a prior restraint preventing publication of John Bolton’s already widely-distributed book (and, in contrast, DOJ’s strong prospects for getting a constructive trust for breach of contract)

    * Espionage Act liability for leaking national security information: a 30-month sentence for a former DIA analyst this week, and speculation about how it would look if DOJ took this approach with John Bolton

    * The Supreme Court’s DACA ruling: wrestling with the nuances of the decision

    * There were no National Guard air assets conducting surveillance in DC…unless maybe there were?

    * There were no Pennsylvania National Guard personnel in DC…unless maybe there were?

    * Oh, look, international armed conflict between China and India…

    * The Uighur Human Rights Policy Act of 2020 becomes law: understanding how it relates to IEEPA, where it does and does not provide wiggle room for the president, and whether its plain terms warrant application to President Xi and other senior Chinese officials.



    As for frviolity: Sportsball is almost back…but will the NBA or MLB really deliver games?

    • 1 hr 9 min
    Episode 169: Now We’re a Third Amendment Podcast

    Episode 169: Now We’re a Third Amendment Podcast

    After an extra-long break, we are back…and swamped!  Tune in for debate and discussion of, among other things:



    * The National Guard deployments to Washington, DC, including questions of status, command, and authority

    * The special circumstances of the DC National Guard (and, relatedly, the issue of DC statehood)

    * The Third Amendment, hotels, and originalism???

    * Civ-Mil relations and the weird weeks for General Milley and Secretary Esper

    * The Tom Cotton Op-Ed and the NY Times’ response to the fallout from it

    * The NDAA and proposals to mandate renaming of US military bases named for Confederate Generals

    * GTMO, military commissions, the Majid Khan ruling (to the effect that torture can be cited as grounds for mitigation at sentencing), and implications for the 9/11 prosecution and capital punishment

    * President Trump’s Executive Order declaring a national emergency vis-a-vis the prospect of ICC action against U.S. personnel, and the corresponding creation of a sanctions regime against not just ICC personnel involved in such actions but also against those who materially support them.



    And a surprisingly belated-yet-timely review of HBO’s Watchmen series.  Seriously, if you haven’t watched it yet, get started!

    • 1 hr 29 min
    Episode 168: On the Brink with the Insurrection Act

    Episode 168: On the Brink with the Insurrection Act

    Tonight we bring you a special episode, recorded jointly with Ben Wittes as an episode of the Lawfare Podcast.  Ben, Bobby, and Steve explore the threatened invocation of the Insurrection Act by President Trump, the president’s existing use of the DC National Guard, the president’s assertion that he will designate Antifa as a “domestic terrorist organization,” and the use of tear gas and rubber bullets to clear protesters out of Lafayette Square Park in order to facilitate a presidential photo op.

    • 53 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
475 Ratings

475 Ratings

hang zuckerberg ,

Love the show

Love the show, less time spent on your tv and movie viewing habits is a good thing. Truly. But I gotta question boys. Why is BMI and ascap running interference for the Stones in their confrontation with the trump campaign over broadcasting use of their songs, but for Neil Young, not so much. Did I mention I love the show!
Thanx!

luca487075 ,

Episode 156

I think your rules of production should be promulgated more widely as the rules to get through the stay at home pandemic crisis: rule1 do as little as possible rule2 only do it if it’s fun. Rule 3 when in doubt referral rules one and two

BigSlammu ,

Great listen!

I really enjoy listening to each professor’s analysis.

Only feedback I’d give is that during some segments Mr. Vladeck interrupts Mr. Chesney too much.

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