The Ownership Economy

The Ownership Economy
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Welcome to the Ownership Economy podcast, the podcast that explores the people and ideas that are utilizing technology, economics, and the law to reimagine how the economy can work for everyone. Here we connect with the entrepreneurs, investors, thought-leaders, academics, and politicians that are constructing a better economy, one based on broad-based ownership and democratic governance. Hosted by Martin Smith and Jahed Momand, two investors and operators that aim to use this platform to showcase the people and ideas that will shape more inclusive economies.

  1. 09/16/2025

    Episode 089 — Beyond the First of the Month: Atticus LeBlanc of PadSplit on Revolutionizing Rental Risk with Tech

    This week, Jahed Momand has an insightful conversation with Atticus LeBlanc, founder and CEO of PadSplit, a public benefit corporation that’s flipping the script on affordable housing. Atticus shares his personal journey from renting a room in Atlanta and navigating early entrepreneurial challenges to his "aha moment"—realizing the profound need for respectable, affordable housing for those often overlooked by traditional landlords. Discover how PadSplit challenges long-held assumptions in the rental market, such as arbitrary monthly rent payments, high deposits, and reliance on credit scores that often don't include rental history. Learn about PadSplit's innovative approach: offering all-inclusive, furnished private rooms with flexible, weekly payments aligned with residents' paydays. This model not only makes housing significantly more affordable and accessible for individuals earning below $50,000, including service workers and those on Social Security income, but also proves more profitable for property owners by fractionalizing space and reducing vacancy costs. Atticus explains how PadSplit focuses on resident management, handling payments and fostering community, thereby providing crucial stability and peace of mind for its members—many of whom are transitioning from homelessness or unstable living situations. Tune in to explore how reimagining basic housing assumptions can create immense opportunities for both renters seeking a new start and landlords looking to make a greater impact while achieving better returns. See Cliff Johnson from PadSplit speak to their model's viability and growth at the Ownership Economy Summit this year in NYC on October 7th. Grab your ticket here: https://www.ownershipeconomy.com/registration use the discount code OE2025VIP! for 40% off

    40 min

  2. 09/09/2025

    Episode 088 — Scaling Capital Markets for Shared Ownership: Alison Lingane's Blueprint for Capital Growth

    This week we sit down with Allison Lingane, founder of Ownership Capital Lab, a nonprofit singularly focused on growing investment capital for employee ownership. Allison, with nearly 15 years in the employee ownership space, including co-founding Project Equity, shares her journey from creating scalable paths to opportunity through education to realizing the critical need for a robust capital market for shared ownership. This episode dives into how employee ownership, often considered the "best kept secret," can move beyond its current silos and into the mainstream. Allison discusses the core thesis of Project Equity—making employee ownership normal and self-generating—and how this led her to establish Ownership Capital Lab to specifically address the challenge of attracting capital. With a goal to inject an additional billion dollars of capital into the space, Allison explains the current landscape where dedicated employee ownership funds, totaling around 27-30 with $500 million in assets under management, are still largely "emerging managers". Listeners will gain insight into: The innovative approach of newer funds that attract mainstream business owners with acquisition offers rather than solely employee ownership proposals, making employee ownership competitive with private equity buyouts.The impressive 12-15% IRR return profiles of private credit employee ownership funds, which are designed to outperform mainstream private credit with lower default rates.The critical need for senior debt that can match the speed of private credit to ensure employee ownership funds can compete effectively.The importance of the proposed American Ownership and Resilience Act, which aims to provide specialized employee ownership funds with access to matching low-cost government capital, positioning employee ownership as a vital tool for retaining American commerce.Ownership Capital Lab's work in developing the first-ever roadmap for employee ownership capital growth and fostering connections and education among investors and funds.The pervasive misconception among institutional investors, like some foundation endowment committees, that companies opting for employee ownership are "duds," highlighting the ongoing need for broad education.Allison will be elaborating on these crucial topics for scaling employee ownership at a summit in New York on October 7th. Don't miss this insightful conversation on how to unlock the full potential of employee ownership through strategic capital investment and education. You can learn more about Allison's work at ownershipcapital.capital. Get your ticket to the summit to see Alison speak here: https://www.ownershipeconomy.com/registration

    50 min

  3. 09/02/2025

    Episode 087 — Identity, Governance, and AI: A Conversation with Celo & Self Founder Rene Reinsberg

    This week, Rene Reinsberg, co-founder and CEO of Celo and Self joins us. Rene's early journey was shaped by his small business owner parents, helping him establish an early entrepreneurial drive consistently focused on empowering individuals and "the small guy". This led to founding an early machine learning/AI company sold to GoDaddy that helped small businesses compete online. Rene's pivotal move into crypto in 2016-2017 stemmed from realizing Ethereum would enable programmable money and user-driven ownership. This vision inspired Celo, a protocol aiming to rewire economic systems using stablecoins, micropayments, and verifiable identity to foster positive-sum wealth for users, particularly in economies with high inflation. A key learning is Celo's unique approach to wealth creation and its strategic evolution through a governance-led decision to transition to an Ethereum Layer 2, enhancing economic efficiency, user adoption, and integrating with Ethereum's robust ecosystem. Finally, Rene introduces Self, his latest venture, empowering individuals with control over their data and privacy, breaking "walled gardens". Self addresses privacy-preserving identity by leveraging biometric passport chips and zero-knowledge proofs to verify unique humanness without revealing personal data. The transformative potential of privacy-preserving digital identity with Self is a crucial takeaway, offering solutions for civil resistance in airdrops, enhanced decentralized governance, and verifying real humans for AI search tools, including a recent integration with Google. This technology also offers a path toward universal basic access to compute by distinguishing humans from bots in the AI era.

    1h 4m

  4. 08/26/2025

    Episode 086 — Full Spectrum Ownership: Jason Wiener's Guide to Starting, Growing, and Exiting in the Ownership Economy

    This week, we welcome back Jason Wiener, founder of Jason Wiener PC, for an insightful episode on alternative ownership structures. Jason’s boutique law firm specializes in alternative ownership design, including co-ops, various forms of employee ownership, and non-extractive financing. He guides shared ownership-minded founders through the entire lifecycle: Starting: Jason champions "full spectrum ownership design," advising founders to prioritize their "why" and "what" (goals and desired outcomes) over a specific legal vehicle. He notes that starting as a traditional C-corp or LLC is not irreversible, but founders must understand trade-offs with venture funding. His firm offers a free, self-guided "Community Enterprise Legal Design Course" online for those committed to community-centric models and eschewing upfront venture capital.Growing: Jason emphasizes that success depends on human conduct, communication, and decision-making, not just legal documents, which serve as guardrails. Successful enterprises balance core values with clear business strategy and client focus.Financing: Given that alternative ownership models typically do not have traditional liquidity events, revenue-based financing (e.g., demand dividends, revenue sharing notes, self-redeeming preferred equity) has emerged as a popular mechanism, aligning investor repayment with the co-op's financial health. Resources like the Transform Finance directory and leveraging Program Related Investments (PRIs) and Mission Related Investments (MRIs) from foundations can provide capital.Exiting/Succession: This constitutes a significant portion of his firm's work, especially amidst the "silver tsunami" of retiring business owners. Jason stresses "succession readiness"—organizing books, tax returns, and creating a data room—as 97% of the work. The choice of conversion pathway is a technical assessment, not an ideological one.Jason will lead a hands-on workshop at the Ownership Economy Summit 2025 in New York on October 7th, offering a deeper dive into making these critical assessments for business succession. You can find more resources, including his blog and the free course, at jrwiener.com. And you can get your ticket to see him speak right here: https://www.ownershipeconomy.com/registration

    53 min

  5. 08/20/2025

    Episode 085 — Employee Ownership: From Wall Street to Academia with Dr. Bill Castellano

    In this episode of The Ownership Economy podcast, a discussion is held with Dr. Bill Castellano, Director of the Rutgers Institute for the Study of Employee Ownership and Profit Sharing. Dr. Castellano's extensive background, including over two decades on Wall Street in strategic HR management and his academic role, is explored, noting his early exposure to employee ownership through an ESOP and equity compensation. The empirical and scientific evidence supporting the value of employee ownership is a central theme. Benefits such as enhanced employee engagement, increased productivity, higher customer satisfaction, and improved business survivability, even during economic downturns, are discussed. The role of employee ownership in addressing wealth inequality and increasing retirement savings for a broad range of employees, including low-to-moderate income workers and people of color, is emphasized, often provided as an additional benefit. Various forms of employee ownership, including equity compensation, worker cooperatives, ESOPs, and Employee Ownership Trusts (EOTs), are differentiated. Significant tax incentives associated with ESOPs (e.g., 1042 capital gains relief for C-corps, federal tax exemption for S-corps) and EOTs are detailed. Despite these compelling benefits, barriers to widespread adoption are examined. These include a lack of awareness among business owners regarding employee ownership as a succession strategy, the perceived complexity of regulated programs, and difficulties in securing financing for these transactions. Policy initiatives, such as proposed bills for guaranteed loans, are presented as potential solutions. While significant growth has been observed in EOTs, it is noted that the overall percentage of the workforce participating in employee ownership programs has remained largely stagnant over 15 years. Finally, the intersection of employee ownership with the future of work and artificial intelligence is explored. Employee ownership is presented as a crucial model for navigating the transformation brought by AI and automation, fostering employee engagement and ensuring successful business adaptation rather than widespread job elimination. The institute's mission, including its research, conferences, and policy analysis, is highlighted, with resources available at ownership.edu. Get your ticket to this year's summit here: www.ownershipeconomy.com/registration

    52 min

  6. 08/12/2025

    Episode 084 — It's the Money, Stupid: Accelerating Renter Wealth with Rowland Hobbes of Stake

    This week, we chat with Rowland Hobbes, Founder and CEO of Stake. Rowland, who will be speaking on the housing track at the upcoming Ownership Economy Summit 2025, offers insights into how to use modern fintech to accelerate renter wealth building and give more people upside in ownership through renting. In this episode, we cover: The pivotal moment Stake's strategy was shifted from offering renters equity to focusing on immediate cash back will be discussed. It will be revealed how direct feedback from renters indicated that for many, "it's the money, stupid"—implying that current financial relief for essentials like groceries, medicine, and childcare was considered far more critical than future equity. Initially, Stake had explored giving equity to renters, envisioning ownership through their residence, but this approach did not resonate with renters in market testing, partly due to a lack of trust that the equity would materialize and a desire for immediate utility.How an innovative, mutually beneficial business model was developed by Stake, encouraging landlords to fund cash back for renters, will be explained. Drawing inspiration from loyalty programs and the Costco membership model, it will be shown how properties can achieve better performance, with delinquencies reduced by 44% and renewal rates increased by 15%, through investing in their renters' financial well-being. This approach converts existing landlord spend, such as "one month free" offers, into cash back for renters, proving more effective than negative behavioral incentives like late fees.The broader vision for "tenant equity vehicles" and embedded financial services that empower renters beyond just paying rent will be presented. How renters are helped by Stake to build credit, save money, and access fair banking will be discovered, fostering a movement towards institutionalized financial savings for renters, akin to 401ks or 529s. The evolution of tenant equity vehicles, including profit sharing in the form of cash back, will be detailed, highlighting collaborations with entities like Enterprise Community Partners and government initiatives in Colorado.Invaluable lessons for anyone interested in mission-driven ventures, financial innovation, and addressing systemic wealth gaps are offered in this conversation. Rowland Hobbes will be speaking at the Ownership Economy Summit in New York on October 7th, 2025! Grab your ticket here, 20% listener discount is active until the end of August: https://www.ownershipeconomy.com/registration

    57 min

  7. 08/05/2025

    Episode 083 — Beyond Returns: Gigi Danziger & Albert Wenger on Capital for Stewardship AND Growth

    This week, we're joined by Gigi Danziger (Eutopia Holdings) and Albert Wenger (Union Square Ventures) to discuss their mission to create a world where everyone can thrive by reversing the trend of extractive capital through innovative steward ownership models. Our conversation delves into their application of steward ownership to diverse initiatives in the Hudson Valley, including a basic income pilot, the climate action Wally Farms, the Spark of Hudson community learning hub, affordable housing via Hudson Dots, and even a small business like a diner. Albert and Gigi share their approach to making these social impact projects financially sustainable, navigating challenges such as community distrust and legal complexities. They also discuss their forward-looking vision for how ownership must evolve in the age of AI to ensure that gains from progress benefit all, emphasizing the crucial role of community and purpose in building a better future and redefining investment success.

    55 min

  8. 07/29/2025

    Episode 082 - AI Beyond Monopolies: Ben Fielding of Gensyn AI on Democratizing Compute & Open Protocols

    This week, we welcome Ben Fielding, Founder and CEO at Gensyn. Gensyn is a proud sponsor of this year's summit. Ben recounts his journey from deep learning research to addressing the critical issue of compute resource monopolization in AI, leading Gensyn's pioneering decentralized approach. Ben explains how they're solving the fundamental problem of trust in distributed compute networks, a challenge that even past volunteer computing efforts like SETI@home struggled with due to incentives. Their key innovation, Verde, is a robust verification system ensuring the reliability of machine learning computations across untrusted nodes. Learn about Gensyn's vision for open protocols in machine learning, drawing inspiration from the internet's early days to foster broad participation and emergent AI capabilities. Ben discusses their work on horizontal scaling, including RL Swarm and its new backend, GenRL, aiming to create a "MapReduce moment" for AI that leverages global compute power. Ben Fielding will be speaking live at the Ownership Economy Summit in New York on October 7th, 2025. Gensyn on the webBen Fielding on TwitterGet your summit tickets here at the lowest price — prices go up 7/31!Link to tickets: https://www.ownershipeconomy.com/registration

    59 min
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Welcome to the Ownership Economy podcast, the podcast that explores the people and ideas that are utilizing technology, economics, and the law to reimagine how the economy can work for everyone. Here we connect with the entrepreneurs, investors, thought-leaders, academics, and politicians that are constructing a better economy, one based on broad-based ownership and democratic governance. Hosted by Martin Smith and Jahed Momand, two investors and operators that aim to use this platform to showcase the people and ideas that will shape more inclusive economies.

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  • Creator
    The Ownership Economy
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2025
  • Episodes
    88
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