The paid media lab

Lunio

The paid media lab is a podcast for performance marketers who want fresh, innovative, and actionable strategies to maximize return on ad spend. In each episode, we speak to a leading paid media expert about the one strategy, approach, or tactic that has consistently delivered impressive performance improvements across their campaigns in recent months. Presented by James Deeney and brought to you by Lunio, the ultimate anti-IVT tool. Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at: https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

  1. 5D AGO

    What elite B2B Marketers do differently to support Sales teams (w/ Pam Didner) | S3 EP4

    Sales and marketing alignment is essential for slick lead generation at B2B and SaaS businesses. According to Hubspot’s 2025 State of Sales report, 41% of salespeople say sales and marketing alignment improves lead quality, while 29% say it can increase revenue and improve customer experience. To help leaders and teams bridge the gap between marketing and sales, we spoke to B2B marketer, speaker, and author Pam Didner.In this episode, Pam spoke about how marketing metrics determine lead quality, how to make marketing content more sales-friendly, and how to adapt your paid media strategy to capitalize on top-of-funnel opportunities as well as bottom-of-funnel conversions. Plus, get some bonus marketing insights from Pam - including some brilliant ways to optimize your content for AI.Timestamps:0:00 - Coming up0:10 - Intro2:15 - How does Pam rank so highly in LLMs? (Icebreaker question)11:34 - Why is there a disconnect between marketing and sales?13:50 - Key Sales/Marketing alignment mistakes17:13 - How Marketing can help Sales use content19:52 - Structuring paid media to speak to top/mid funnel24:24 - What should count as an MQL?26:24 - Should you automate lead vetting?31:19 - Marketing’s role after the initial sale36:23 - The key ABM mistakes40:22 - How many companies should you target with ABM?43:56 - Final thoughtsDon't have time to listen? Get the written highlights from the session here: https://www.lunio.ai/blog/align-marketing-and-sales-teamsFollow Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamdidner/Get deeper insights from Pam by checking out her series of books: https://pamdidner.com/books/Subscribe to the Lunio YouTube channel to make sure you don't miss an episode of the paid media lab podcast - or find us wherever you get your podcasts:Watch on YouTube: ‪@lunio_ai‬ Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5K858fJ...Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Listen on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.co.uk/podcasts/7...Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at:https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

    45 min
  2. NOV 5

    Master TikTok Ads: UCG, Search Ads & 2026 Strategy (w/ Fiona Bradley) | S3 EP3

    TikTok is currently the fifth largest social platform in the world, and certainly one of the fastest growing - especially amongst younger audiences.  With TikTok’s exponential growth comes massive advertising opportunities. Statistics show that TikTok has more than 3.5 times the ad reach of X, with potential ad reach of almost 2 million users every month.  To help marketers capitalize on this, we caught up with Fiona Bradley (Founder of FB Comms) on the Paid Media Lab podcast to get her insights on what makes TikTok advertising tick(tok), mastering UCG, and more.  Timestamps: 0:00 - Coming up 0:13 - Intro 3:58 - Meta’s ‘No Ads’ subscription 6:38 - ‘AI enhanced’ Facebook ads 8:13 - Fiona’s approach to Black Friday 9:13 - What are TikTok Search Ads? 10:36 - What are GMV Max campaigns? 11:44 - The big opportunities for marketers 12:59 - Keyword targeting on TikTok 14:29 - How people search on TikTok 16:03 - Will TikTok Search overtake Google? 17:27 - Measurement & attribution in TikTok Search 18:43 - Common TikTok marketing mistakes 20:27 - Working with creators on TikTok 23:34 - Brand guideline advice for TikTok 26:34 - Does B2B / Lead Gen work on TikTok? 27:38 - Do YouTube Shorts work for B2B / Lead Gen? 28:53 - Key advice for marketers using TikTok 30:55 - Final thoughts & advice Don't have time to watch? Get the written highlights from the session here: https://www.lunio.ai/blog/master-tiktok-ads Follow Fiona on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fiona-content-marketing/   Subscribe to the Lunio YouTube channel to make sure you don't miss an episode of the paid media lab podcast - or find us wherever you get your podcasts: Watch on YouTube: ‪https://youtu.be/jQcJERO-_DE Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at: https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

    2 min
  3. OCT 29

    AI Hype vs Reality: What actually works in marketing (w/ Rand Fishkin) | S3 EP2

    AI hype is everywhere. But what does an AI future look like for marketers? Is AI genuinely the future, or just an over-hyped bubble that'll eventually burst, causing chaos in the process?In this episode of The Paid Media Lab, Rand Fishkin (Co-Founder/CEO of SparkToro and many, many other companies) joins us to cut through the noise. Rand shares fresh data on how people really use AI tools like ChatGPT, what’s driving the “AI bubble,” and whether claims of Google’s supposedly inevitable death at the hands of AI hold any truth. We also cover:• What SparkToro’s data says about Google vs ChatGPT usage• The real reason your organic traffic is falling• How to adapt to the rise of zero-click marketing• Whether the AI economy is the dot-com bubble repeating itself, or whether it's something else entirely• Why attribution is broken (and what to measure instead)• How to make your brand visible inside AI models and search resultsIt’s an honest, data-driven look at what works in marketing today, minus the hype.Timestamps:0:00 - Coming up01:25 - Intro 04:45 - Is Rand an AI optimist or pessimist?06:26 - Are we in an AI bubble (in marketing?)08:48 - Is it the same as the Dot-Com crash?10:13 - ChatGPT 5 & AI overhype12:22 - Is Google dead? (+ Research)17:48 - The attention economy21:07 - Why web traffic has declined26:04 - The marketing mindset shift31:29 - Is attribution broken?36:22 - Should you advertise on AI platforms?39:47 - ChatGPT’s Instant Checkout42:37 - AI platforms will screw you43:45 - How to cheat LLMs48:15 - What marketing leaders need to focus on now52:19 - Final thoughtsFollow Rand on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/randfishkin/Get Rand's book, Lost and Founder: https://sparktoro.com/bookSubscribe to the Lunio YouTube channel to make sure you don't miss an episode of the paid media lab podcast - or find us wherever you get your podcasts:Watch on YouTube: ‪@lunio_ai‬ Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5K858fJ...Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Listen on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.co.uk/podcasts/7...Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at:https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

    53 min
  4. OCT 22

    F*ck the brand guidelines: Do this instead (w/ Lewis Kemp) | S3 EP1

    Most marketers worship their brand guidelines. Lewis Kemp thinks you should burn them. In the first episode of Season 3 of the Paid Media Lab, Lewis Kemp (founder of Lightbulb Media and The University of Creative Idiots) joins us to explain why strict brand rules kill creativity, and reveals how to rebuild a system that drives actual, meaningful results. We cover: • Why almost every small businesses doesn't actually have a “brand” yet • How ego kills performance (and what to do about it) • The banned ads that made Lewis’s clients millions • How to work with the brand police — and win • Why creative variety is the secret to scaling paid campaigns Timestamps 0:00 - Coming up 01:04 - Who is Lewis Kemp? 03:02 - What is a ‘gimpfluencer’? 06:43 - Why most brand guidelines are pointless 09:22 - Defining what a real brand actually is 10:30 - What businesses lose sign of 12:35 - Examples of ads ruined by brand guidelines 14:50 - Lewis’s banned ads and controversial campaigns 17:12 - How to work with the ‘brand police’ 20:30 - The importance of the hook 23:54 - Channel-specific tips for Meta, YouTube, and Google Ads 26:11 - The psychology behind ads 27:05 - When brand guidelines actually matter 28:30 - Final thoughts & The University of Creative Idiots Follow Lewis Kemp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lewis-kemp-manchester/ Brohemian Rhapsody: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/lewis-kemp-manchester_freddiemercurypoisoning-activity[…]m=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAACFEGBsBRwvmUu5KZhW-4iarWDuWYKRbRxE The University of Creative Idiots: https://joinuci.com/ Prefer reading? Read the episode recap here: https://www.lunio.ai/blog/ignore-the-brand-guidelines Subscribe to the Lunio YouTube channel to make sure you don't miss an episode of the paid media lab podcast - or find us wherever you get your podcasts: Watch on YouTube: ‪@lunio_ai‬ Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5K858fJ... Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Listen on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.co.uk/podcasts/7... Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at: https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

    30 min
  5. JUL 23

    How to predict Google Ads Results in 2025 with $0 ad spend (w/ Ed Leake) | S2 EP10

    Get Ed's forecasting spreadsheet here: https://edleake.com/google-ads-forecasting-tool/And watch his video going into the spreadsheet in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta5fIi0qbHw In the final episode of Season 2 of the Paid Media Lab podcast, we speak to Ed Leake - founder of God Tier Ads, seasoned agency owner, and PPC expert with over half a billion in managed ad spend - to uncover the biggest mistakes marketers make when forecasting Google Ads performance, and how to do it right. With nearly two decades of experience in paid media, ad tech, and conversion strategy, Ed shares his hard-earned insights on why most forecasts fail, how to build projections that align with real business outcomes, and what every advertiser should know about scaling spend without killing ROAS. Whether you’re pitching new clients, planning Q4 budgets, or trying to get a grip on Google’s automation and Performance Max chaos, this episode is packed with straight-talking advice that cuts through the noise. 🎯 Key topics: • Why Google’s built-in forecasting tools often miss the mark • How to forecast with business outcomes — not just ad metrics • Accounting for seasonality & demand curves the smart way • The hidden impact of impression share on CPC and performance • Why Standard Shopping still matters (yes, really) • Forecasting in an AI-driven, keywordless PPC future Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 02:12 - Ed’s approach to copywriting 04:02 - The problems with Google’s forecasting tools 08:39 - Accounting for seasonality in forecasting 14:32 - Why impression share is important 17:55 - Accounting for Remarketing 21:00 - Should you exclude brand from PMax? 22:45 - PMax or Standard Shopping? 24:41 - Will AI invalidate forecasting? 27:34 - Putting the work in 29:32 - Final thoughts Prefer watching over listening? Subscribe to Lunio's YouTube channel to get full-length video episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@lunio.ai Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at: https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

    31 min
  6. JUL 16

    B2B PPC Strategy: Avoid these common mistakes (w/ Sofia Akritidou) | S2 EP9

    In this episode of the Paid Media Lab podcast, we speak to Sofia Akritidou - founder of ThinkWise Digital and seasoned B2B PPC strategist - to explore what’s really broken in B2B lead generation and how to fix it using smarter paid media strategies. With over seven years of hands-on experience across Google Ads, LinkedIn, and paid social, Sofia shares actionable insights on improving lead quality, avoiding junk conversions, aligning keyword intent, and building campaigns that drive actual revenue, and not just vanity metrics. Whether you’re running PPC campaigns for a SaaS startup, scaling paid media for a fintech platform, or trying to align marketing and sales on what a “qualified lead” really looks like, this episode is packed with tips to help you turn ad spend into closed-won deals. Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 2:07 - How Sofia became a B2B specialist 3:16 - What makes B2B Lead Gen different to B2C? 6:15 - Generating qualified leads from PPC 9:19 - Examples of key lead gen mistakes 10:43 - How to filter out unqualified leads 12:40 - Predicting when campaigns will bring poor leads 15:03 - Keyword intent classification tips 17:24 - Gated vs. Ungated content in B2B 20:00 - Moving prospects through the funnel 21:36 - Optimizing campaigns for qualified leads 24:01 - Which KPIs should you pay attention to? 25:17 - Lead Scoring advice 28:08 - LinkedIn Lead Gen campaign tips 32:05 - Final thoughts / outro Prefer watching over listening? Subscribe to Lunio's YouTube channel to get full-length video episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@lunio.ai Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at: https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

    33 min
  7. JUL 9

    The ultimate PMax negative keyword strategy to cut waste (w/ Guillaume Devinat) | S2 EP8

    Performance Max campaigns are everywhere - but most advertisers are still flying blind when it comes to controlling spend and cutting waste. To help marketers take back control, we spoke to Guillaume Devinat, CEO of PPC optimization platform Optmyzr, and uncovered the ultimate PMax negative keyword strategy. In the session, Guillaume reveals the findings of a huge study into how advertisers use (or don’t use) negative keywords in PMax - and shares a practical, step-by-step framework to cut waste, reduce junk traffic, and improve efficiency. Expect to learn: • Why 68% of PMax campaigns are running with zero negative keywords • The most common search terms and placements that waste budget • How to proactively identify and exclude bad traffic with n-gram analysis • Early indicators of low-quality traffic (before conversions suffer) • How to use ChatGPT to uncover wasteful keyword themes at scale • Key settings in PMax that quietly drain spend if left unchecked • How to estimate the ROI impact of negative keyword and placement exclusions • Tips on geo targeting, content suitability, and URL expansion • The case for lead gen advertisers to rethink their use of PMax Timestamps:  0:00 - Intro 1:36 - Guillaume’s key focuses at Opteo 2:07 - How marketers are using negative keywords 4:02 - Why are negative keywords so underutilized? 7:16 - Which search terms waste the most ad spend? 10:18 - Finding the best negative keywords 14:55 - Competitor keywords as negative keywords 16:06 - Biggest sources of waste in PMax campaigns 21:48 - Managing ad placements 23:58 - Key metrics to track after making changes 28:14 - Final thoughts / outro Prefer watching over listening? Subscribe to Lunio's YouTube channel to get full-length video episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@lunio.ai Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at: https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

    31 min
  8. JUL 2

    AI Max in Google Ads: Key things you need to know (w/ Jyll Saskin Gales) | S2 EP7

    AI Max is here - but getting the right information about it, and what it means for your campaigns, can be hard to find.  To help marketers get a clear view on how to prepare for AI Max, we spoke to Google Ads Expert Jyll Saskin Gales.  Jyll is a former Google employee, top PPC consultant, and author of Inside Google Ads - a fitting book title, given that very few people know what goes on inside Google's Ads than her.  In this extended episode of the Paid  Media Lab, we spoke to Jyll about all-things AI Max, as well as how Broad Match ties in (and how to use Broad Match effectively). Expect to learn: • What AI Max is and how it evolved from Search Max • Key AI Max features: text customization, keyword list targeting, final URL expansion • New transparency and control options in AI Max • Shift from keyword matching to intent prediction in Google Ads • Opportunities and risks of keywordless PPC • Best practices for using broad match effectively • Jyll’s three C’s: conversion tracking, customer lists, creative • The truth about audience signals in AI/Performance Max • How to test AI Max responsibly Don't have time to listen to the whole thing? Find our written recap of the session here: www.lunio.ai/blog/google-ads-ai-max-explained Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 2:36 - ‘Inside Google Ads’ book discussion 4:08 - Why ‘the house always wins’ in Google Ads 6:45 - AI Max vs. Search Max 8:45 - What is AI Max? 9:57 - How transparent is AI Max? 11:34 - Is AI Max just broad match + DSA? 12:59 - Is this the ‘keywordless future’? 15:29 - Final URL Expansion + audience signals 22:20 - Should you test AI Max? 25:07 - Using Broad Match effectively 29:00 - Where Jyll uses Broad Match Prefer watching over listening? Subscribe to Lunio's YouTube channel to get full-length video episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@lunio.ai Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at: https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

    40 min

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The paid media lab is a podcast for performance marketers who want fresh, innovative, and actionable strategies to maximize return on ad spend. In each episode, we speak to a leading paid media expert about the one strategy, approach, or tactic that has consistently delivered impressive performance improvements across their campaigns in recent months. Presented by James Deeney and brought to you by Lunio, the ultimate anti-IVT tool. Get more free PPC tools, webinars, and resources at: https://www.lunio.ai/resource-library

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