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The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s top investing podcasts. We interview the leading investment minds from Australia and overseas to better understand their processes, philosophy, and current take on markets. After launching in October 2017, there have been over 100 episodes published - you can access all content on Livewire Markets, Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

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The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s top investing podcasts. We interview the leading investment minds from Australia and overseas to better understand their processes, philosophy, and current take on markets. After launching in October 2017, there have been over 100 episodes published - you can access all content on Livewire Markets, Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

    700+ meetings each year: How WAM Global uncovers under-the-radar stocks

    700+ meetings each year: How WAM Global uncovers under-the-radar stocks

    In investing, just as in love, trust is everything - and without it, you really don't have anything at all. 
    It's for this reason that the Wilson Asset Management global equities team meets with more than 700 management teams across the world each year - including in the US, Japan, and Europe. In addition, they also meet with competitors and suppliers, as well as talk to current and past employees and industry experts. 
    According to WAM Global (ASX: WGB) lead portfolio manager Catriona Burns, the team does this because trust in a company's management team is paramount. 

    "Have they hit their targets? Have they done what they said? If we have any doubts on that trust factor, for us, that's completely a non-negotiable and we won't invest," she says. 
    Burns is reading between the lines, and looking beneath the surface for red flags. And while management teams selling stock, poor track records and value-destructive deals can certainly be warning signs, she argues that alignment - and the lack thereof - can often be far more telling for the future direction of a company's share price. 
    "Incentives drive outcomes... I can't tell you how many times I have seen incentives for management based on earnings per share growth," she says. 
     "Companies just chase acquisitions to meet earnings growth without thinking about the returns that are being generated on the dollars spent. That happens time and time again and is a massive red flag." 
    In this episode of The Rules of Investing, Burns takes listeners through some of the companies that have managed to pass her filters, as well as why catalysts are so important for investors with a penchant for value. 
    She also outlines why the listed investment company's growing annual yields won't be slowing over the next five years, what it's actually like on the ground in the US right now, as well as what the US election at the end of the year could mean for markets. 
    Note: This interview was recorded on Tuesday 14 May 2024. 
    https://www.livewiremarkets.com/wires/700-meetings-each-year-how-wam-global-uncovers-under-the-radar-stocks 

    • 32 min
    Chris Stott’s 5 high conviction stock ideas for the new bull market

    Chris Stott’s 5 high conviction stock ideas for the new bull market

    Time flies when you’re having fun! While the last five years have had plenty of ups and downs, they haven’t dented the enthusiasm and passion of small-cap fund manager Chris Stott from 1851 Capital.
    Stott launched 1851 Capital in 2020, just before COVID-19 hit, wreaking havoc on the market and his portfolio. Since then, Stott has comfortably beaten his small-cap benchmark, growing the fund’s initial capital of $80 million to almost $500 million through a combination of inflows and capital growth.
    Whilst there was some exuberance after the initial shock of the pandemic, the past few years have been far more challenging for small-caps investors.
    “Over the past four and half years, the small-cap index has returned 3% per annum. If you look at the 30 years before we launched the fund, it was 10% per annum. So quite a significant underperformance, quite dismal in fact,” Stott says. 
    However, late October 2023 marked a turning point and the small-cap index has recently entered a technical bull market, having rallied more than 20%. 
    So where to from here and which companies does Stott believe can sustain the early track record that 1851 Capital has established?
    In this episode of The Rules of Investing, Stott shares his lessons from starting a new fund, why he believes the bull run in small caps can continue and five of the stocks he is backing to deliver market-beating returns.
    For those of you with a good memory, Stott was last on the podcast in June 2020, when he tipped NextDC (ASX: NXT) as the one stock he would hold if markets were to close for the next five years. Shares in NextDC have gained more than 75% over that time, and the company is now in the ASX100, forcing Stott to exit his position. Naturally, we’ve asked him for a fresh idea.
    Note: This episode was recorded on Wednesday 8 May 2024. 
    https://www.livewiremarkets.com/wires/chris-stott-s-5-high-conviction-stock-ideas-for-the-new-bull-market 
     

    • 46 min
    Christopher Joye: No margin for error for risk junkies craving rate cuts

    Christopher Joye: No margin for error for risk junkies craving rate cuts

    The past six months have been golden for investors, with everything from equities to gold and even Bitcoin enjoying stellar runs. And if risk assets are not your bag, then there have been juicy yields on offer across a range of cash and fixed-income asset classes. 
    Animal spirits woke from their slumber in late October 2023 when the Fed effectively claimed victory in the fight against inflation. Markets have been led to believe that rate cuts are a forgone conclusion in the year ahead, and participants have been piling into risk assets accordingly. 
    Christopher Joye, portfolio manager and chief investment officer at Coolabah Capital Investments, says that markets have become so complacent that they appear to be completely ignoring a growing set of data suggesting that the path forward might not be smooth.
    Most notably, the resurgent inflation data coming out of the US is causing interest rate cut expectations to be dialled back and kicked down the road. When asked what he thought investors were getting wrong about markets today, Joye was quick to call the dichotomy between what the economy is suggesting needs to happen with interest rates and market expectations.
    “If this strong data keeps coming through then hold onto your hats because the world is not priced for this risk. Make no mistake, there is no margin for error in listed equities. There is no margin for error in venture capital, private equity, zero in crypto, in commercial real estate, nothing,” Joye argued.
    Tune in to the latest episode of the Rules of Investing, where Livewire’s James Marlay ask Joye about his views on the outlook for both the US and Australian economies, the three risks he is watching and where he sees value in Australian residential real estate.

    • 1 hr 2 min
    Why Ben Clark is taking profits on growth stocks (and where he's putting that money to work)

    Why Ben Clark is taking profits on growth stocks (and where he's putting that money to work)

    Quality growth stocks, those with fortress balance sheets, impressive moats, structural tailwinds and top-notch management teams, have had a stellar run recently. Take Goodman Group (ASX: GMG) for example, which has risen 66% over the past year. Or Megaport (ASX: MP1), up over 252% in 12 months alone. 
    If you're like this anonymous writer, you've probably started to ponder whether it's time to trim some of your winning positions and take some profits. 
    And according to TMS Capital's Ben Clark, we may have just reached that point. 

    "A lot of investors are trying to chase a very small number of stocks in Australia because of the AI trade," he says. 
    "And I'd just be a bit wary about that because although those companies absolutely should benefit, it's just how quickly those benefits flow through and whether the market has just got a bit ahead of itself in terms of the benefits that will come through in the medium term." 
    In this episode of The Rules of Investing, Clark sits down with Livewire's Ally Selby for a conversation on all things artificial intelligence, growth investing and holy grail stocks. 
    He shares where he is putting some of the firm's dry powder to work, a few reasons why investors should feel optimistic about the outlook for markets, and whether he would be buying the AI behemoths both globally and locally today despite their stellar runs over the last six months. 
    Plus, Clark shares why the tables may be turning once again for out-of-love growth darling CSL (ASX: CSL). 
    Note: This episode was recorded on Tuesday 9 April 2024. 
    Timecodes: 
    0:00 - Intro 
    1:54 - Ben Clark's outlook for the remainder of 2024 
    4:17 - Record cash holdings in the US and what this means for markets 
    6:51 - Why Aussie investors are also holding a lot of cash 
    7:39 - The most common question Ben Clark is hearing from clients 
    10:01 - The takeaways from Ben's trip to SXSW in the US
    12:13 - Learnings from a private meeting with a Google executive 
    15:11 - The outlook for Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) and Google (NASDAQ: GOOGL)
    16:25 - Can the momentum continue for global AI winners like Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA) 
    19:17 - The ASX-listed stocks that directly benefit from AI 
    23:17 - Why some of these stocks' share prices may have gotten ahead of themselves
    24:30 - Holy grail stocks - and why Brickworks (ASX: BKW), WiseTech (ASX: WTC), REA Group (ASX: REA) and CSL (ASX: CSL) make the cut 
    29:32 - Where Ben Clark has started to take profits 
    31:28 - And where he is putting that cash to work 
    36:11 - One thing the market is getting wrong today 
    38:03 - Lessons for growth investors from the 2022 bear market 
    42:59 - A stock to buy and hold for the next five years

    • 47 min
    Trailer: Ben Clark, TMS Capital

    Trailer: Ben Clark, TMS Capital

    If there is one theme that has taken the world by storm in 2024, it's Artificial Intelligence or AI. 
    Until very recently, this week's guest was a bit of a sceptic, but a recent trip to the US has seen him come back a changed man.
    In this episode, we'll be sitting down with investment adviser Ben Clark of TMS Capital. We'll be learning about the wonderful world of growth investments, the key technological innovations that have him excited and his top holy grail stocks. 
    Here's a sneak peek of what you can expect... 

    • 1 min
    The next 10 years in ETF growth could be dominated by this asset class

    The next 10 years in ETF growth could be dominated by this asset class

    If there is any one investment product that has experienced a true boom over the last 10 years, it is exchange-traded funds (ETFs) and exchange-traded products (ETPs) more broadly. 
    The number of listed products has increased by 17.5 times in Australia during the last decade alone. More than 300 products are now listed across the ASX and CBOE exchanges and two million Australians have at least one ETF in their portfolio.
    And, as if you need more proof of the growth of ETPs, 2024 marked the first time that inflows outpaced those going into unlisted managed funds. 
    So if we've seen this growth over the last decade, what could the next 10 years hold?
    In this episode of The Rules of Investing, we put this and other questions to Tamara Haban-Beer Stats, Director and ETF/Index Investments Specialist at BlackRock Australia. BlackRock is the world's largest asset manager and its ETF arm iShares runs 49 ETPs in the Australian market.
    In this episode, Tamara also discusses the key mega forces that BlackRock believes could drive markets over the long run, where they are overweight in portfolios and the asset classes they believe could see the biggest growth within ETPs over the coming years.
    Note: This episode was recorded on Tuesday 19 March 2024.
    Timestamps
    0:00 - Intro
    2:21 - BlackRock's outlook for the next 12 months
    4:06 - What the new investing regime means for ETF investors
    6:17 - The five "mega forces" of investing 
    9:13 - Currency impacts on ETF returns
    10:27 - Will the Australian Dollar rebound in late 2024?
    13:45 - Should investors consider hedged ETFs?
    14:55 - Opportunities in Japan and the US
    16:47 - Why the AI boom won't be early 2000 all over again
    18:02 - The explosion of interest and uptake in ETFs
    21:31 - The asset class that could gain the lion's share of growth in the future
    23:17 - Other interesting innovations in the global ETF market
    25:06 - Which products are seeing the most inflows and outflows in 2024?
    27:31 - The Rules of Investing's regular questions (with an ETF twist)

    • 28 min

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