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Because it's always about more than who wins and loses. And the next election has already started. Hosted by Astead W. Herndon.
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The Case for Democrats to Stop Playing Defense
Heading into the 2024 presidential election, a big part of the Democratic Party’s approach is to win through defense — to watch Republicans and promise voters that Democrats will be the solution to G.O.P. extremism.
Some Democrats, however, argue that this is not a viable long-term strategy.
This week, Representative Elissa Slotkin shares what happens when Democrats have a plan, and Megan Hunt, a Nebraska state senator, explains what happens when they don’t. -
The New Terms of Abortion Politics
The Dobbs decision upended political calculations on both sides of the abortion debate. Democrats used the issue as evidence of Republican extremism, and it cost the G.O.P. seats in the 2022 midterms.
Now, with a presidential primary looming, abortion activists have an opportunity to reset their strategies for 2024 and roll out new litmus tests for their respective candidates.
This week, Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, and Alexis McGill Johnson, head of Planned Parenthood, on how they’re trying to reshape the abortion debate in the U.S. -
The Fight to Define Extremism
Two things are true: Bothsidesism can flatten the realities of political extremism in this country. And many voters really do see the Democratic and Republican parties as equally extreme at this moment.
The parties know this. And they’re fighting to convince voters that it’s the other side that’s gone too far. That Republicans are the party of Donald Trump, election denial, Jan. 6 and six-week abortion bans. That Democrats are the party of woke-ism and the Squad.
Today, we talk to two congressmen who have publicly clashed on this question — Jamaal Bowman, a Democrat, and Byron Donalds, a Republican — and press them on the roles they play in the fight. -
The Backup Plan for Lost Voters
This episode contains strong language.
A central reality of the 2024 presidential election is taking shape: Voters may, once again, be faced with a choice between Donald J. Trump and President Biden.
For months, Astead has been speaking with party insiders whose main question about the next election is which candidate will win. Speaking to voters, however, their question is: How come both parties seem poised to nominate the same man again?
Voters across the country are dissatisfied with the choice, yearning for other options.
Astead speaks with voters and the leaders of No Labels, an organization that’s working toward creating a “unity ticket” that they hope will appeal to those in the middle. -
The Anti-Trump Republicans (and the Specter of 2016)
The 2016 Republican primary field was crowded. At one point, 17 people were vying for the nomination. It was a pileup that many saw as leading directly to the ascent of Donald Trump.
The specter of that election hangs over the current moment for anti-Trump Republicans — could a fractured party once again put Mr. Trump at the top of the ticket?
The question now for potential candidates is: Should I run or should I get out of the way?
Astead speaks with Larry Hogan, former governor of Maryland, and Asa Hutchinson, former governor of Arkansas — two Republicans who wrestled with this question and made different decisions.
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The Trump Inevitability Question
Outside a Manhattan courtroom, on the day of former President Donald Trump’s arraignment, Astead spoke to two camps of spectators. Supporters cast Mr. Trump as the victim of prosecutorial overreach, while opposing voices hoped this was just the beginning of his legal troubles.
With an ever-shifting political landscape as America heads toward the 2024 election, what do Mr. Trump’s mounting legal woes mean for his electoral viability? Is success for the former president, despite it all, an inevitability?
Astead speaks with Nate Cohn, The New York Times’s chief political analyst, about what the polls do — and do not — tell us.
Customer Reviews
Great Content, Not Great Interview Style
LOVE the topics and depth of coverage and I will definitely keep listening. Maybe I’m not smart enough to keep up with Herndon but the brisk cadence of his speech and abrupt interview style really throws me off. I have a hard time following. Maybe I’ve been listening to Barbaro too long.
The new Terms of Abortion Politics
You have absolutely the best interview style: apolitical and probing. I like your non-confrontational, but dogged repeated questions until a real answer is forthcoming. I learned something listening to this, and did not feel manipulated. I do believe the pro-abortion argument was stronger. I am a left leaning centrist voter. I am not a fan of either the far left or the far right. They both seem certifiable. I have never voted for an anti abortion politician. The moniker ‘pro-life’ is false advertising: They advocate for legal meddling. I do think the pro-abortion methodology is politically powerful & can see how it convinces Republican politicians; it appears to keep them over a barrel.
I accidentally sent this with 4 stars; I meant to put 5
Astead Herndon is a fantastic host
I really can’t get enough of Astead Herndon’s style of interviewing his subjects. He is enthusiastic but serious, polite but insistent, incredibly thoughtful while also clear as day. More, please!