There's No Such Thing As Hypnosis with Controversial Hypnosis Expert Jonathan Royle Open Loops with Greg Bornstein: Conversations That Bend

Dave Elman is considered the founding father of direct hypnosis. 
Milton Erickson is considered the founding father of indirect, conversational hypnosis. 
They'd smack Greg in the face with their pocket watches for this interview because his guest today is considered the dude that pisses on all of their legacies. 
Open Loops welcomes Jonathan Royle. 
Royle is regarded as a leading expert on Hypnosis, Hypnotherapy, NLP, Stage Hypnotism, Magic & Mentalism