29 episodes

Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for a new podcasts more often than not!

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Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for a new podcasts more often than not!

    Episode 24- Sexuality and relevance in classical music

    Episode 24- Sexuality and relevance in classical music

    Trigger warning: discussions around specific homophobic comments
    Explicit language is used.

    Today we are speaking about recent backlash and online homophobia beneath three posts on Classic FM's social media to celebrate pride month and support the LGBTQ+ community.

    We were shocked and saddened to imagine musicians still enduring an environment where to be yourself is to be attacked, even in 2021. The truth remains that to be different or to bring visibility into your music making, in order to end loneliness and stigma, is still a huge risk.

    Rebecca and Hattie discuss why visibility within classical music circles is vital, why they may have felt sidelined in the past with various issues and the vibrancy brought through musicians' differences and struggles.


    Classic FM's articles supporting pride:

    Gay classical composers
    LGBTQ music ensembles worldwide
    LGBTQ conductors

    Find us!

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    Keep in touch! 

    • 31 min
    Episode 23- How are you really? Leaving music college, fearing suicidal thoughts, body image and more

    Episode 23- How are you really? Leaving music college, fearing suicidal thoughts, body image and more

    CW: Suicidal thoughts

    I sit down with Rebecca for our first chat as co-hosts!
    We discuss the fear around suicidal thoughts, leaving music college, managing transitions, body image, recovery and many more musician things. Rebecca also gives us some careers advice and insight into her plans for the future.
    I am beyond thrilled to be able to talk so openly in this new podcast partnership and can't wait to see what the future holds with Becca on board!

    Hattie xx

    Find us:

    https://thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.com

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    https://www.facebook.com/Things-Musicians-Dont-Talk-About-105376588414579

    • 1 hr 4 min
    Episode 22- Raye Harvey

    Episode 22- Raye Harvey

    Today is all things Chineke!, Steiner education, mental health and branching out of classical music into other projects/genres!
    Hattie chats to violinist Raye Harvey about her life and education. Delving into the subtle ways in which subtle racial discrimination has been transformed by the work of the Chineke! Orchestra, Raye talks about becoming involved with Europe's majority-Black and ethnically diverse orchestra and how transformational that has been. Raye speaks openly about her mental health, expressing why few musicians emerge from conservatoire unscathed. She speaks about how she sought professional support, including CBT in the past few years and about her experience with seasonal affective disorder.

    More about Raye:

    Raye Harvey is a Manchester based violinist and singer-songwriter who completed her undergraduate degree at the RNCM and is currently finishing a PGCEi with Music Masters. Coming from a large Indian-Caribbean family, Raye loves travel, collaboration and working in many different genres. As well as teaching, she performs extensively as an orchestral and session musician, including with the Ignition Orchestra, on the Brand New Heavies newest album and internationally with the Chineke! Orchestra. Raye is passionate about making music accessible for all and increasing diversity in Classical music. She also recently released her debut self-titled EP “Lakshmi”, and was made BBC Introducing Hereford and Worcester’s Artist of the Week.

    Follow Raye!
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    Raye's personal instagram
    Lakshmi's instagram

    • 1 hr 6 min
    Episode 21- George Dexter Evans

    Episode 21- George Dexter Evans

    Welcome back! Today I am speaking with composer and guitarist George Dexter Evans about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and autism and how they impact his life as a musician and composer. We speak about the common misconceptions surrounding CFS, about taking time away to recover before starting university, being a 'mature' student and the stigma surrounding it. We also speak about George's later diagnosis of autism, how special interests and 'masking' have played into George's life, and how it can impact day to day functioning.

    About George:
    George Evans is a composer and electronic musician based in London. He studied electric guitar before pursuing a degree in composition at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama, studying with Malcolm Singer and Hollie Harding. He will be continuing at Guildhall in 2021, focusing on a Master’s degree in Electronic and Produced Music.

    His current compositional interests include the ambiguity between stasis and movement, the spatialisation of sound, and what it means for music to be immersive. His work combines influence from Feldman, Saariaho and Takemitsu as well as ambient and drone music. 

    Recent pieces include ‘Expanses’ for clarinet and electronics (fixed media), recorded by the celebrated clarinettist Heather Roche, and ‘Golden Jubilee Bridges at Night’ recorded by the Guildhall Session Orchestra as part of the Illuminated River project 2021. 

    Find George on Soundcloud: www.soundcloud.com/georgedexterevans

    • 46 min
    Mental Health Walk 5- Making decisions in instability, degree endlessness

    Mental Health Walk 5- Making decisions in instability, degree endlessness

    I am so sad that it’s the final day of walks, but today I am escaping the rain inside! I answer some of your questions about making decisions when you’re feeling unstable, the stigma of moving back in with your parents and what to do when things feel endless. Thank you so much everyone who has tuned in this week and made it so special. Also to my Instagram Live guests, Rebecca and Abi for their vulnerability and openness. 

    • 13 min
    Mental Health Walk 4- Vulnerability hangovers and the news

    Mental Health Walk 4- Vulnerability hangovers and the news

    Thank you for joining me for another walk!! Today I am talking about my vulnerability hangover and how the news affects our mental health (and why it’s ok to delete it) 

    • 10 min

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Andy Reiner ,

Things Musicians SHOULD Talk About!

I loved hearing Hattie's perspective - her honesty about mental health for musicians and willingness to be vulnerable is refreshing and rings true. While her guests have great things to say, I especially enjoyed the reflective episode 7 sandwiched between interviews. The audio quality is excellent which adds to the experience.

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