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Rarely do you find a legal podcast as raw, candid and powerful as Trying 2 Win, a show about real-life legal battles inside and outside the courtroom. Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr, co-founders of Lincoln Derr, have practiced law for more than 25 years. In building an enviable track record of success, they’ve also collected incredible stories. In Trying 2 Win, they share those stories, covering everything from early successes and failures to diversity in the courtroom to challenging witness interrogations and more. They also host special guests who share their unique experiences, whether that’s building a case behind the scenes or fighting it out in court. Whether you’re new to your law career or a seasoned veteran, this is the legal podcast you’ve been waiting for. It’s everything you wish they taught you in law school and so much more.

Trying 2 Win Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr of Lincoln Derr PLLC

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Rarely do you find a legal podcast as raw, candid and powerful as Trying 2 Win, a show about real-life legal battles inside and outside the courtroom. Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr, co-founders of Lincoln Derr, have practiced law for more than 25 years. In building an enviable track record of success, they’ve also collected incredible stories. In Trying 2 Win, they share those stories, covering everything from early successes and failures to diversity in the courtroom to challenging witness interrogations and more. They also host special guests who share their unique experiences, whether that’s building a case behind the scenes or fighting it out in court. Whether you’re new to your law career or a seasoned veteran, this is the legal podcast you’ve been waiting for. It’s everything you wish they taught you in law school and so much more.

    Creativity in the Courtroom: “The Brief” Series

    Creativity in the Courtroom: “The Brief” Series

    Creativity in the Courtroom

    Show Notes:

    Welcome to "The Brief," inspiring short bonus episodes of Trying 2 Win. In Episode 1 of "The Brief,"  Lincoln Derr founders and podcast hosts Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr share their greatest moments of creativity in the courtroom.



    For Tricia, one example came in the form of her attire. Pouring over paperwork and interpreting a contract In a commercial real estate case that was seemingly boring and “not very sexy” left Tricia stumped with her approach. Then, when the time came for closing arguments, she built hers around the theme of, “what’s black and white is always right.” She never mentioned it, but it was no coincidence that, on that day, she came to court wearing a black and white dress.



    Sara, on the other hand, pays tribute to the use of Powerpoint presentations and visual cues to spark the creativity necessary to win a medical malpractice case with conflicting and confusing components. To convey that complexity to the jury, she incorporated the image of a spider web in the background of her Powerpoint presentation. It was subtle, and the subliminal suggestion left the opposing lawyer frantic.



    Our closing argument? Moments of creativity can have profound impact in the courtroom. The best lawyers will leverage them every chance they get.

    Now, what's your verdict?

    Leave us your thoughts and let us know what you think — do you find creativity to be an important factor in winning? For the listeners and lawyers out there, we want to hear your most creative approaches in winning a case in the courtroom.



    We’ll be releasing more episodes soon, so be sure to subscribe for more!



    Contact us at: Trying2Win@lincolnderr.com

    Share your verdict on our Trying 2 Win Facebook page.

    www.lincolnderr.com

    704-496-4500



     

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    Behind the Bench

    Our Music: “Diamonds on the Inside”



    Composer/performer: Katy Cox



    Love our theme song? We do, too. Here’s a little more about the Charlotte-based woman behind the music.



    Former attorney and singer-songwriter Katy Cox transports her listeners with radiant vocals and thoughtful lyrics. Her songs draw you in and take you on an emotional journey that explores both the heartache and the joy of living. Influenced by artists such as Lori McKenna, Shawn Colvin and Patty Griffin, Katy delivers engaging modern folk melodies, with a healthy dose of country and acoustic rock. Hear more of her music at her website: www.katycoxmusic.com.



    Our Cover Art Background: “Brave Enough”



    Artist: Sally Higgins



    After many years of artistic pursuits of various kinds, Charlotte artist Sally Higgins turned to painting about 10 years ago. She works in oil, acrylic, encaustic and mixed media. Art provides Sally a welcome respite from her word-filled career as a trial lawyer.  See more of Sally’s art at sallyhigginsfineart.com and studioworksgallery.com. 



     









    Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr are the co-founders of Lincoln Derr and serve at the helm of the firm leading all practice groups through active counsel, litigation, and advising. They are seasoned litigators specializing in innovative multi-media communication, practical business-minded advice, and speaking to audiences in a “real”, non-technical way.

    • 6 min
    How to Win a Street Fight: Our Toughest Jury Trials – Episode 2

    How to Win a Street Fight: Our Toughest Jury Trials – Episode 2

    How to Win a Street Fight: Our Toughest Jury Trials

    In this episode of Trying 2 Win, hosts Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr, founders of the women-led law firm, Lincoln Derr, break down their toughest cases.



    Both Sara and Tricia were trained as “street fighters” who “learned the hard way” how to try a case and win. They come to every case prepared. And still, there have been those cases that have challenged them, forcing them to think critically and creatively when the stakes are high.



    For Sara, it was a medical malpractice case that pitted her against an intimidating expert witness (she won, by the way, after poring over thousands of pages of documents to find one critical, overlooked detail). Tricia’s case put her up against an attorney who was willing to push the envelope ethically and factually before members of the jury. In both experiences (and many others), Tricia and Sara argue credibility was a key factor in fighting and winning, and both women recount emotional situations as opportunities to “make us better [lawyers].” The main takeaways? You can’t avoid the tough cases, nor should you. Every challenge is an opportunity to learn valuable lessons about how to fight and win, no matter what you’re up against.

    Show Notes

    Conflict of interest

    In this blog post, Sara recounts her endoscopy case in greater detail. At issue was the tool used in a biopsy of the sphenoid sinus: The patient claimed an endoscope should have been used in the procedure, while the doctor had opted for surgical loupes. To make the case that the endoscope was the better option, opposing counsel brought in an expert from Chicago who had written extensively on the benefits of doing sinus surgery using endoscopes. “He was a hard witness. He was mean and cranky, and when I took his deposition, I thought: How am I going to get this guy?” Sara recalled. Read more about how she did.

    The emotional intelligence secret weapon

    To win a tough case, you’ve got to make a compelling argument to your jury. Sara and Tricia talk through several strategies they’ve implemented over the years, but it all comes down to emotional intelligence. According to this article from the American Bar Association, lawyers typically score high in intelligence but below average in emotional intelligence, which has four components: emotional perception, emotional empathy, emotional understanding and emotional regulation. “The emotionally intelligent have an accurate awareness of emotions in themselves and others, can tap into how those emotions feel and are able to understand and manage emotions so as to produce the desired results.”

    Now, what’s your verdict?

    Leave us a review, and let us know what you think — what you like, what you want more of, what we could do better. We’ll be releasing more episodes soon, so be sure to subscribe for more!



    Contact us at Trying2Win@lincolnderr.com

    Share your verdict on our Trying 2 Win Facebook page.

    www.lincolnderr.com

    704-496-4500







    Watch This Episode



    Behind the Bench

    Our Music: “Diamonds on the Inside”



    Composer/performer: Katy Cox



    Love our theme song? We do, too. Here’s a little more about the Charlotte-based woman behind the music.



    Former attorney and singer-songwriter Katy Cox transports her listeners with radiant vocals and thoughtful lyrics. Her songs draw you in and take you on an emotional journey that explores both the heartache and the joy of living. Influenced by artists such as Lori McKenna, Shawn Colvin and Patty Griffin, Katy delivers engaging modern folk melodies, with a healthy dose of country and acoustic rock. Hear more of her music at her website: www.katycoxmusic.com.



    Our Cover Art Background: “Brave Enough”



    Artist: Sally Higgins

    • 41 min
    First Trial Ever - Scared to Death

    First Trial Ever - Scared to Death

    In the debut episode of Trying 2 Win, a podcast about real-life legal battles in and outside the courtroom, we introduce you to Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr, founders of Lincoln Derr, a minority and women-owned law firm based in Charlotte, N.C. Over the course of their careers, both women have distinguished themselves as powerhouse litigators, with decades of experience fighting on behalf of their clients in court. In this episode, though, we go back in time to when they were both new lawyers trying their very first cases. It wasn’t always pretty, but the hits and misses of those early courtroom experiences taught them a lot about what it takes to win. Their advice for all the law students and young lawyers out there? “Get your rear end into the courtroom and do it soon because there’s no better way to learn than through experience.”

    • 16 min
    Trying 2 Win Trailer

    Trying 2 Win Trailer

    Rarely do you find a legal podcast as raw, candid and powerful as Trying 2 Win, a show about real-life legal battles inside and outside the courtroom. Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr, co-founders of Lincoln Derr, have practiced law for more than 25 years. In building an enviable track record of success, they’ve also collected incredible stories. In Trying 2 Win, they share those stories, covering everything from early successes and failures to diversity in the courtroom to challenging witness interrogations and more. They also host special guests who share their unique experiences, whether that’s building a case behind the scenes or fighting it out in court. Whether you’re new to your law career or a seasoned veteran, this is the legal podcast you’ve been waiting for. It’s everything you wish they taught you in law school and so much more.

    • 2 min

Customer Reviews

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25 Ratings

25 Ratings

kaywren1 ,

So interesting and enjoyable

I have enjoyed the first two podcasts and am eager to hear more. I don’t have a legal background but I enjoy hearing the inside anecdotes. And as a female I enjoy hearing how they have handled situations that all women in business have faced in some form. It’s very heartening that they are encouraging females to step into the trial arena. Thanks for such a unique podcast.

LBF Literacy ,

Big fan

Ready for more from these 2 successful female attorneys! From someone who’s not an attorney, I appreciate their advice to get yourself “out there” early in your career. Best knowledge comes from courtroom experience not textbooks, sitting in lecture hall, or sitting behind a desk. I found this to be true in field of banking and education.

ATLLfan4lifee:) ,

Great podcast!

They make me want to be a lawyer!

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