Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who are trying to become the best version of themselves in the world.
What's So Amazing About Grace?, feat. Philip Yancey [S07-010]
Philip Yancey is an award-winning author, renowned theologian, and influential speaker who has written 13 Gold Medallion award-winning books and won two ECPA Book of the Year awards for What’s So Amazing About Grace? And The Jesus I Never Knew.
Today, I had the wonderful opportunity to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the bestselling book, What’s So Amazing About Grace? with author Philip Yancey. The question is just as relevant now as it was when the book was first published. It still holds true that the most important things in life are love, forgiveness and grace. Regardless of your religious or spiritual beliefs, Philip invites us to question how we understand grace and how we extend it to ourselves and others.
Learn more about Philip Yancey and his works at:
What’s So Amazing About Grace?
Living in Alignment with Dr. Julia DiGangi
“We have three energetic engines of what it means to be human. One is our feeling, one is our thinking, and one is our behaving. When those three things are integrated, the way that we’re kind of wired, when we kind of again walk into the party and we’re really behaving and thinking and feeling all in alignment, this is the fullest expression of a human being.” explains Dr. Julia DiGangi.
Our new friend. Dr. Julia DiGangi brought the conversation today! We dig into the emotional, cognitive, and behavioral structure of the personality and what it means to live in alignment with all three. She is the author of the amazing new book Energy Rising: the Neuroscience of Leading with Emotional Power.
If the content and the spirit of this episode has not convinced you to go by her book, please rewind to the beginning of the interview and listen more carefully because it has been such a privilege and a pleasure to have this time with Dr. DiGangi.
Learn more about Dr. Julia DiGangi
Trusting Your Self, feat. Jeff Chu (Enneagram 6) [S07-008]
Sixes have excellent analytical minds, are great strategists, troubleshooters, problem-solvers, and of course, see worst-case scenarios that other people don't see. The passion of the Six is fear which is often experienced as anxiety…anxiety that the unexpected could happen at any time. But once they launch a mental narrative in their head of all that could go wrong, these fictional stories can take on lives of their own and can grow and crowd out what’s actually happening.
Today, we revisit my conversation with Jeff Chu to explore the complexities of The Loyalist, and how knowing his Enneagram type has allowed him to identify those aspects of his personality that are responses to things he's been through in the past and work through them.
Jeff Chu is a writer, reporter, Editor-at-large at Travel + Leisure, and Teacher in residence at Crosspointe Church. His reporting and writing has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, Travel+Leisure, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and Modern Farmer. When big publishers were still starting magazines and pouring millions of dollars into them, Jeff was an editor on the launch team of the now-defunct Conde Nast Portfolio. And before that, he spent seven years at Time magazine, where he really received his journalistic education. Jeff was a London-based web producer and staff writer.
In 2021, Jeff helped turn Rachel Held Evans’ latest work-in-progress into a finished book titled, “Wholehearted Faith.” He wove the words of her partial manuscript with other unpublished writings to create a rich collection of essays that ask candid questions about the stories we’ve been told—and the stories we tell—about our faith, our selves, and our world.
Balancing the Contradictory Elements of an Enneagram 5w4, feat. Jason Adam Miller [S07-007]
There’s no such thing as a pure personality type. We’re all a mash up of two types – your dominant type and your dominant wing. Knowing your wing is important because they reveal a whole different side of your personality and can explain contradictory elements within your personality. Enneagram Fives are edged between the passionate, intense Four on one side and the loyal but anxious Six on the other. Depending on their dominant wing, these two can look very different.
Today, we explore how an Enneagram Five with a dominant Four wing processes and experiences things very intensely on both the intellectual and feeling planes. Jason Adam Miller describes this complicated relationship as “as a civil war between the two.”
Tune in for an inside look through the lens of an Enneagram 5w4 and how Jason has learned to balance the two.
Jason Adam Miller is the founder and lead pastor of South Bend City Church, an eclectic Christian community known for its thoughtful teaching, inclusive vision, and commitment to its city context. An advocate for artists and peacemakers, his work beyond South Bend focuses on cultural headwaters and conflict zones, where he serves an international constituency of leaders. He holds a master’s degree in theology from the University of Notre Dame.
When the World Breaks: The Surprising Hope and Subversive Promises in the Teachings of Jesus
From Burned Out to Fully Charged, feat. Dr. Neha Sangwan (Type 1w2)
Burnout is more common than you think and the rates continue to rise. So, what constitutes burnout and how do we combat it? First, we need to understand the stressors that lead to burnout in the first place.
According to physician, executive coach, and speaker Dr. Neha Sangwan, “burnout is due to prolonged stress and an ongoing net drain of energy on one or more of five levels: physical, mental, emotional, social, and spiritual. When we burn out, our productivity suffers, our health declines, and we’re more reactive in our relationships.”
In today’s episode, Dr. Sangwan shares the story of her own wake-up call, breaks down the phases of burnout, and provides examples from her new book, Powered by Me: From Burned Out to Fully Charged at Work and in Life, of how to assess the five levels of burnout so you can take practical steps to replenish your energy and heal.
To learn more about Dr. Sangwan, visit her website or grab a copy of her book on Amazon.
Gut Feelings with Functional Medicine Expert, Dr. Will Cole (Enneagram 5w4) [S07-005]
What is the gut-brain connection, and what role does it play in living a healthy and fulfilling life? Functional medicine expert Dr. Will Cole joins us to talk about his newest book, Gut-Feelings: Healing the Shame-Fueled Relationship Between What You Eat and How You Feel, and how to heal our bodies through nutrition.
Versed in the Enneagram, Dr. Cole shares how it has helped him educate and empower others by learning to communicate with others in a way they can receive it.
"My Enneagram Five-ness as far as being a researcher really does suit me well, and I think that's why I've been such a voracious consumer of health information and research [...] but, there's this duality, bidirectional relationship between what I do as science and the art," explains Dr. Cole. "The art part of what we do is holding the space in between the words and really understanding how can I get this health information and help them to understand it, to empower them, to give them agency over their health, and to really help them apply these things so it's sustainable and practical, for them to reclaim their quality of life?"
Tune into this fascinating conversation, then jump over to Amazon to grab your copy of "Gut Feelings."
I’m fascinated by what makes people tick and this podcast ticks that box. More importantly, I discover more of what makes me tick and it’s helping me become my best self! Thank you Ian and Anthony for making the Enneagram come alive and bring true transformation stories for us that allow us to see our inner workings. And not so we can say “I’m an Enneagram x#” but so we can be all we’re created to be! Keep up the great work!!
This podcast has helped me with my understanding of the enneagram. Ian’s love and excitement about the enneagram comes through on each podcast. He also chooses interesting speakers. I definitely recommend!
I love this podcast for it’s depth and clarity. Initially, from the description of the podcast, I was not expecting there to be such a bend towards Christianity. As a non-Christian, I was hoping for more diversity in terms of spirituality and I find myself skipping through the Bible references, prayers etc. But the content is interesting and compelling and I will keep listening.