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Upside Down Podcast is an ecumenical podcast at the intersection of justice, spirituality, and culture. Join us for conversations about God's Upside Down Kingdom. No topic is off limits. Upside Down Podcast is a collaborative Christian podcast co-founded by Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace. Some of our most popular guests have included Christena Cleveland, Dr. John Perkins, Shane Claiborne, Jo Saxton, Father Greg Boyle, Shannan Martin, and Dominique Gilliard. Popular episodes have featured the enneagram, gentrification, nonviolence, vocations and callings, immigration, and more. Upside Down is proud to be an ecumenical podcast, bridging the gap between Catholic and Protestant thought. Visit www.upsidedownpodcast.com or follow us on Instagram at @upsidedownpodcast.

Upside Down Podcast Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, Patricia Taylor, Alissa Molina

    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 4.8 • 258 Ratings

Upside Down Podcast is an ecumenical podcast at the intersection of justice, spirituality, and culture. Join us for conversations about God's Upside Down Kingdom. No topic is off limits. Upside Down Podcast is a collaborative Christian podcast co-founded by Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace. Some of our most popular guests have included Christena Cleveland, Dr. John Perkins, Shane Claiborne, Jo Saxton, Father Greg Boyle, Shannan Martin, and Dominique Gilliard. Popular episodes have featured the enneagram, gentrification, nonviolence, vocations and callings, immigration, and more. Upside Down is proud to be an ecumenical podcast, bridging the gap between Catholic and Protestant thought. Visit www.upsidedownpodcast.com or follow us on Instagram at @upsidedownpodcast.

    Season 6 | Episode 95: Persisting Through Grief with J.S. Park

    Season 6 | Episode 95: Persisting Through Grief with J.S. Park

    How do we navigate grief ourselves and with others? Co-hosts Patricia Taylor and Alissa Molina have a conversation with J.S. Park, who is a teaching pastor, writer, and interfaith hospital chaplain about persisting through grief and the ministry of presence.
    In this episode, we:
    Discuss the vulnerability of sharing our grief, how it can open us to being wounded or experiencing healingDefine the role of a chaplain and the experience of vicarious griefTalk about how those in crisis can question whether or not they are allowed to grieve and where that shame of grief comes fromCover what it means to bypass someone’s pain and our instinct to want to problem solveAsk about the role of the church in navigating grief, pointing out how believers can often mishandle it through spiritual bypassingConsider how we can push back on the need to “fix” a person’s grief immediately and the significance of just showing up insteadTalk about how letting grief in can offer us a fuller and more human experience, connecting us to those who went before us Join us for this rich conversation about the experience of grief and how we can grieve well, for the sake of ourselves and others. We hope you find permission and safety to grieve, whatever you’re going through. 
    News, Notes, and Links:
    Follow along with J.S. Park on Instagram and Twitter, and be sure to pick up a copy of his book.Read this Instagram post from September 4 that we referenced.Support more conversations like this on Upside Down Podcast! Please visit us, where you can pledge a few dollars of monthly support to help us pay our bills and keep the conversations going.Learn more at Upside Down Podcast.We’re on Instagram, too. You can find us individually at @patricia_a_taylor, @kayla_craig, @alissarmolina, and @lindsy.wallace.Join the Upside Down Together listener group on Facebook!Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/upsidedownpodcast)

    • 57 min
    Season 6 | Episode 94: Persisting in Boundaries

    Season 6 | Episode 94: Persisting in Boundaries

    How do you live an open-handed life while protecting your peace? Co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Kayla Craig explore the topic of boundaries: what they mean and why they’re crucial in our lives, relationships, and the spaces we exist in. 
    In this episode, we:
    Define what boundaries are and how they can be designed for the mutual health and flourishing of ourselves and others around usConsider how boundaries can show up in our lives to help us to rest, safety, and receiving what we needGet honest about struggling with the guilt of setting good boundaries Talk about how the idea of boundaries can carry negative connotations, especially in church settings in which we (especially women) are expected to sacrifice and pour out constantlyDiscuss the necessity of unlearning the suppression of our needs in order to serve others and replace that with learning how to articulate our needs insteadLook at the example of Jesus, who often withdrew to lonely placesPush back against the cultural expectation that we have to do everything and show up a certain way to be valuedAsk what is ours to press into and what is the most loving thing to do for ourselves and other peopleJoin us as we dig into why we need boundaries and process out loud what this looks like in our lives. We hope this episode encourages you to check in with yourself. Feel free to share your thoughts on this episode with our community on social media!
    News, Notes, and Links:
    Brené Brown writes about three ways to set boundaries.Check out this succinct explainer on boundaries from GoodTherapy.We found this Healthline article about protecting your emotional space to be super helpful.Support more conversations like this on Upside Down Podcast! Please visit us, where you can pledge a few dollars of monthly support to help us pay our bills and keep the conversations going.Learn more at Upside Down Podcast.We’re on Instagram, too. You can find us individually at @patricia_a_taylor, @kayla_craig, @alissarmolina, and @lindsy.wallace.Join the Upside Down Together listener group on Facebook!Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/upsidedownpodcast)

    • 49 min
    Season 6 | Episode 93: Persistence in Disability with Amy Kenny

    Season 6 | Episode 93: Persistence in Disability with Amy Kenny

    What’s missing when we fail to see the fullness of humanity in the disabled community? In this episode, co-hosts Lindsy Wallace and Kayla Craig talk with Dr. Amy Kenny about persisting in disability, healing versus fixing, and much more.
    In this episode, we:
    Reframe the concept of disability away from a hierarchy and instead look to how we think of the natural worldTalk about how being an image bearer is not stripped away when our bodies work in a different wayGo over what ableism is, how we engage in it without even realizing it, and how the prosperity gospel feeds into itDiscuss the disabled Christ, the erasure of disability in scripture, and how we miss out on the richness of scripture when we leave out marginalized communities Talk about how we need to go beyond giving a seat at the table and pursue belonging, leading, and flourishing for the disabled communityGet a preview of her upcoming book, My Body Is Not a Prayer Request: Disability Justice in the Church, which deals with the difference between healing and curing as well as rethinking the way we understand disability in the BibleJoin us for this stirring conversation about how we typically view disability and what we might experience instead when we trade in that story for a truer, fuller one.
    News, Notes, and Links:
    Amy’s work has been featured in Roxane Gay's The Audacity, We are not shadows (an anthology), Sojourners, and the Freedom Road podcast. Support more conversations like this on Upside Down Podcast! Please visit us, where you can pledge a few dollars of monthly support to help us pay our bills and keep the conversations going.Learn more at Upside Down Podcast.We’re on Instagram, too. You can find us individually at @patricia_a_taylor, @kayla_craig, @alissarmolina, and @lindsy.wallace.Join the Upside Down Together listener group on Facebook!Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/upsidedownpodcast)

    • 48 min
    Season 6 | Episode 92: Persisting in Curiosity with Shannon Evans

    Season 6 | Episode 92: Persisting in Curiosity with Shannon Evans

    What is our first inclination when we hear or see something that stretches the way we see things? Do we reach for fear?  Do we shut down?  Or do we remain curious, asking ourselves questions about our thinking? In this episode Alissa Molina and Lindsy Wallace interview former co-host Shannon Evans about her recent book release, Rewilding Motherhood:Your Path to an Empowered Feminine Spirituality. In this episode we:
    Talk with Shannon about her approach in writing this book Discuss the ways the book stretched Alissa and pushed her to practice a curiosityExplore how curiosity often leads to greater depth and learningEncourage a spirit of wonder, curiosity and depth when considering motherhoodRemembered that kids are often great models of curiosity“I wonder what would happen if we digested these questions as a form of instruction for our own spiritual lives?  What if we took our theological views or our political and social views and held them up under the microscope of our children’s inquisitiveness?  What might change, evolve or broaden if we began pelting previously unquestioned beliefs with questions for the first time?" (Rewilding Motherhood)
    News, Notes, and Links:
    Order your copy of Shannon’s phenomenal book here.Make sure to follow her on Instagram and sign up for her newsletter.Books that were mentioned in this episode: Theology of the Womb:  Knowing God Through the Body of a Woman and Body of Stars.  Support more conversations like this on Upside Down Podcast! You can visit us here where you can learn more about this podcast or pledge a few dollars of monthly support to help us pay our bills and keep the conversations going.And you can always find us on Instagram at @upsidedownpodcast. Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/upsidedownpodcast)

    • 47 min
    Season 6 | Episode 91: Persistence in Prayer

    Season 6 | Episode 91: Persistence in Prayer

    What comes to mind when you think of prayer? In this episode, Patricia Taylor, Alissa Molina, and Lindsy Wallace interview co-host Kayla Craig about her upcoming book, To Light Their Way: A Collection of Prayers & Liturgies for Parents, and expanding our idea of prayer. 
    In this episode, we:
    Ask Kayla where her belief that prayer is real and powerful comes from, especially in light of how much prayer gets casually thrown aroundConsider how everything in our lives can be prayerRecount how a difficult experience led Kayla to examine what prayer meant to her and the transformation that happened in her understanding of prayerDiscuss how she addresses tough and complex topics in a nuanced, inclusive way that makes space for allAsk what does persistence in prayer through our weariness and our wait look likeJoin us as we talk about Kayla’s journey of putting together her book. We can’t recommend it enough to anyone with children in their lives: caregivers, educators, and so on.  
    News, Notes, and Links:
    Preorder a copy of To Light Their Way: A Collection of Prayers & Liturgies for Parents from Amazon or from Soul Book Nook, a Black-owned book store that’s local to Kayla and can ship anywhere.Can’t wait to get your hands on your copy? Here’s a special preview.Kayla has put together a collection of free gifts as a thank you to anyone who preorders the book before October 5. Get access to a printable collection of 12 breath prayer cards, a 5-day guided devotional for overwhelmed parents, and a downloadable art print for your home or office.Are you on Goodreads? Be sure to add Kayla’s book to your lists and leave a review.Follow Liturgies for Parents and Kayla on Instagram, and check out Kayla’s website here. We love Cole Arthur Riley’s prayers at Black Liturgies. Support more conversations like this on Upside Down Podcast! Please visit us, where you can pledge a few dollars of monthly support to help us pay our bills and keep the conversations going.Learn more at Upside Down Podcast.We’re on Instagram, too. You can find us individually at @patricia_a_taylor, @kayla_craig, @alissarmolina, and @lindsy.wallace.Join the Upside Down Together listener group on Facebook!Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/upsidedownpodcast)

    • 46 min
    Season 6 | Episode 90: Nevertheless, We Persisted

    Season 6 | Episode 90: Nevertheless, We Persisted

    What does it mean to persist these days, and what do we desire to persist toward? Co-hosts Lindy Wallace, Kayla Craig, Alissa Molina, and Patricia Taylor kick off our sixth season with a conversation about the long game of persistence and why we’re still here.
    In this episode, we:
    Talk about why we’re still showing up on this “little podcast that could” Dig into the meaning of persistence: how it’s both opposing something and imagining how it could be betterDiscuss how the definition of persisting has been twisted and weaponized in toxic ways that are detrimental to our health and well-beingAsk ourselves the question, “What are we persisting toward?” What is the endgame we are reaching for?Dive into how persistence intersects with rest, how both are acts of resistance, and the invitation to join the long line of those who have resisted before usConsider how persisting can be an act of self-discovery, empowering us to get to the truer version of ourselves by identifying what we say yes or no toGive you a bit of a teaser about this season’s offeringsJoin us as we launch Season 6 with the theme of persistence. Our hope is that you come away inspired to go with intention and take heart that to persist is to imagine something beautifully just and whole for everyone. 
    News, Notes, and Links:
    Check out Iris Chen of Untigering on Instagram.Support more conversations like this on Upside Down Podcast! Please visit us, where you can pledge a few dollars of monthly support to help us pay our bills and keep the conversations going.Learn more at Upside Down Podcast.We’re on Instagram, too. You can find us individually at @patricia_a_taylor, @kayla_craig, @alissarmolina, and @lindsy.wallace.Join the Upside Down Together listener group on Facebook!Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/upsidedownpodcast)

    • 50 min

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I love this podcast and all that is shared as these 4 hosts converse together. I feel almost as if I’m listening in on a private conversation as they share their thoughts and experiences with their faith and what is required to be a part of Gods upside down kingdom. I am always inspired and leave wanting to dig deeper!

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