Anti-woke investing, with Matt Cole of Strive Asset Management Cloud 9fin

How do you go from working from one of the world's biggest advocates for ESG investing to joining a firm that thinks ESG is a scam? Our US editor Will Caiger-Smith talks to Matt Cole, a former CalPERS portfolio manager who recently moved to Strive Asset Management — the "anti-woke" investment firm that wants to compete with the likes of BlackRock and Vanguard.