In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Greg Kelley, a pioneer in the field of digital forensics, with over 2 decades of experience and the founder of Vestige Digital Investigations. They discuss digital evidence and its relevance to legal cases. The conversation includes what digital forensics is, what type of digital activity can be tracked on computers and social media, and if a child gets involved in a legal case what parents should do with their child’s digital devices.
What does forensics involve in the digital age? (02:49) The secrets that digital forensics can reveal (05:16) Why your digital activity can’t lie (07:41) Why nothing on social media is actually private (09:29) Newsflash: Snapchat photos almost ALWAYS leave a trace (11:48) Can deleted files actually be recovered? (13:55) How deleting files can actually cause more harm than good (16:57) Why do parents need to confiscate their children’s devices when their kids get in trouble (17:37) Monitoring your children’s devices with Google and Apple (19:25) Transcript:
Susan Stone: Welcome back to Real Talk with Susan and Kristina. And in case my listeners out there, missed CSI last night, we're going to bring real life CSI to you all through our special guest, Greg Kelley from Vestige and Greg is going to talk about computer evidence and how it relates to cases.
Susan Stone: Kristina, why don't you introduce our colleague, Greg?
Kristina Supler: Sure. So Greg, thank you so much for joining us. Greg is a founder of Vestige Digital Investigations, and Greg's been working in the digital forensics field since 2000 or so. And really for the past 15 years, he's helped vestige become one of the leaders in the area of comprehensive digital forensic investigations. Greg and other employees at Vestige work on criminal cases and civil cases, and really cases in courts that deal with a variety of issues from cyber intrusion, intellectual property, theft fraud, other sorts of illegal online activities. Greg testifies in court, both in the state of Ohio as well as federal courts.
Kristina Supler: And we are pleased you're here today, Greg. Thank you.
Greg Kelley, Vestige Digital Investigations: Thank you for having me. And, you know, with your, your count on CSI as a, as a side note, my business partner actually consulted for a while on the I think it was the CSI cyber series that was on. It's kind of Stephanie brought that up.
Greg Kelley, Vestige Digital Investigations: Yeah. He hooked up with a couple of directors. I forgot how it was, but. Yeah, he's got a couple of posters and t-shirts in his office. He's, he's pretty proud of that. So
Susan Stone: very cool. That's really cool. And the real, the reason Greg, we wanted you to talk to families because as you know, Kristina and I are dedicated to representing students, is that almost every case, if not every case has a component of what is or is not on a cell phone or a laptop or some device.
Susan Stone: And what do we need to find from the other side for a defense? What do we need to provide? What do we not want to give? What's here? What's there? What's erased? What's deleted? And it's confusing. And every day, Kristina and I are learning about a new software, a new chat room, a new social media app. And it's hard to keep up with it. And so we're hoping you can boil down these fancy, scary words like forensics and computer and cybercrime and make it meaningful.
Greg Kelley, Vestige Digital Investigations: Yeah, we'll give that a try. So let let's talk about forensics. The way I like to describe it, um, forensics to someone in general is, we're looking at, a computer, a cell phone.
Greg Kelley, Vestige Digital Investigations: Let's call them a digital device. Something that has digital information on it and we're examining it. We're looking at it. We're pulling messages fro