What Susie Wiles’ words revealed about President Trump | Oklahoma Memo & Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes

Late-breaking developments reshaped this week’s in-person Oklahoma Memo conversation between Ryan Welton and Grant Hermes, host of Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes.

After their Friday discussion wrapped, a partial release of the Epstein files revealed that the full disclosure ordered by law has still not occurred — raising fresh questions about transparency and accountability.

The conversation also dives into a major Vanity Fair profile by Chris Whipple, based on 11 months of interviews with Susie Wiles. What does her account reveal about how Donald Trump governs — and how he sees the presidency?

Ryan and Grant also analyze the president’s mid-week address, a speech that was unusually fast-paced and loud. It was as if he didn't want to be there, giving that address. From there, they turn to a busy Thursday: the renaming of the Kennedy Center, the reclassification of marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule III, and the civic foundations behind birthright citizenship — a topic Grant recently explored in depth.

Topics Covered

1. Partial release of Epstein files — and what’s still missing

2. What Susie Wiles’ words reveal about Trump’s leadership style

3. Reading presidential speeches beyond the transcript

4. Marijuana rescheduling and symbolic vs. substantive policy

5. The civics of birthright citizenship, revisited

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