When Recovery Isn't Linear: Relapse - BOTH CAN BE TRUE (With Jessica Guerrieri and Leslie Plaia)

Marisa chats with Jessica Guerrieri, author of BOTH CAN BE TRUE, and Leslie Plaia, therapist and Executive Director at Magnolia Creek, to explore relapse, recovery, disconnection, and the quiet ways we can begin to disappear from ourselves. Together they unpack how recovery isn't always linear, why relapse often begins subtly and internally, and how shame, motherhood, overwhelm, and self-compassion impact the path back to connection.

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The Character's Toolkit is a bibliotherapy-based mental health podcast where novels and fictional characters are used to explore therapy concepts and coping skills.