27 episodes

The leading DePIN podcast, brought to you by Connor Lovely and Escape Velocity Ventures.

DePIN = Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks.

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The leading DePIN podcast, brought to you by Connor Lovely and Escape Velocity Ventures.

DePIN = Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks.

    Harrison Hines, CEO of Fleek and Co-Founder of Fleek Network

    Harrison Hines, CEO of Fleek and Co-Founder of Fleek Network

    Connor and Sal sit down with Harrison Hines of Fleek Network. Fleek is the lightning fast onchain cloud, powered by the Fleek Network, permissionless onchain cloud infrastructure, edge-optimized for performance.

    Harrison talks about what parts of Web2 infrastructure Fleek is solving, how they think about their GTM operations vs. technical operations in a Web3 world, how they deliver a highly performant network despite the need for higher verification than Web2 alternatives, and Fleek’s upcoming mainnet and token launches.



    00:00 Welcome Harrison

    00:58 What is Fleek?

    05:31 What problems with how Web2 infrastructure works is Fleek solving?

    12:30 How Fleek balances general purpose vs. customized use cases

    17:17 Distinction between Fleek and the Fleek Network

    26:53 How Fleek designs and distributes its commercial ops from its technical ops

    34:43 How does Fleek balance the need for automated verification against high performance?

    42:04 What use cases is Harrison excited about being built on Fleek?

    49:44 Wen mainnet? Wen token? What functions will the token perform?

    54:00 Lightning Round



    Disclaimer: The hosts and the firms they represent may hold stakes in the companies mentioned in this podcast. None of this is financial advice.

    • 1 hr 4 min
    Anon Morpho, Neuratic, and DNB from ATOR Protocol

    Anon Morpho, Neuratic, and DNB from ATOR Protocol

    This week, Sal is joined by Anon Morpho, Neuratic and DNB from the Ator team. Ator is building the largest global anonymous-routing ecosystem, leveraging a decentralized privacy protocol, on-chain incentives and signature hardware to rapidly scale its network. 



    The team discusses why privacy is so important to them, how Ator is advancing decades-old privacy concepts, the first-party benefits their hardware provides to customers straight out-of-the-box, why privacy is still critical in web3, and the importance of token taxes in ATOR’s early fundraising.



    00:00 Hello Ator!

    01:27 Why Privacy? 

    04:16 What is Ator? 

    05:52 How Ator is architected for privacy

    07:08 The history of Onion Routing and how Ator is iterating on the concept

    14:17 How ATOR’s hardware provides rewards and first-party value

    17:35 ATOR as a value-add for other web3 developers

    21:19 Why privacy is still critical in web3

    26:08 How ATOR bootstrapped their early token liquidity with token taxes

    41:33 Where to find ATOR



    Disclaimer: The hosts and the firms they represent may hold stakes in the companies mentioned in this podcast. None of this is financial advice.

    • 42 min
    Andrej Radonjic, Co-Founder and CEO of Grass Network

    Andrej Radonjic, Co-Founder and CEO of Grass Network

    Sami and Connor are joined by Andrej Radonjic, Founder of Grass Network. Grass is a network of over 2M+ people incentivized to assist AI developers in accessing data on the internet. Grass creates a more equitable and inclusive future for the development of AI.



    00:00 Connor lives in a Resort

    00:34 Grass merch coming soon

    01:20 Catching up with Andrej

    03:15 Open source datasets for AI

    06:40 Why Andrej doxx’d himself on Twitter

    09:30 Deep dive on Grass and the web scraping/AI market

    17:11 What has contributed to the fast growth of Grass?

    20:25 Implementing points in DePIN

    22:19 What goes into becoming a data layer?

    34:02 Layer 2 sovereign data rollups

    40:20 Discussing monetization

    43:50 Grass’ future partners and competitors in the AI space

    52:27 Lightning round!

    1:01:44 Where to find Andrej and the Grass Network Team



    Disclaimer: The hosts and the firms they represent may hold stakes in the companies mentioned in this podcast. None of this is financial advice.

    • 1 hr 3 min
    Alireza Ghods, Co-Founder and CEO of Natix

    Alireza Ghods, Co-Founder and CEO of Natix

    Mahesh and Sal are joined by Alireza Ghods, CEO & Co-Founder of Natix. Natix is a global mapping network of smart cameras. Natix’s 100k drivers have mapped 30M km across 170 countries. 



    Alireza takes on the great DePIN mapping hardware debate, making the case for smartphones over dedicated hardware, lays out the long-term vision for Natix as a camera network beyond just road mapping, and illustrates how Natix could eventually enable a wide variety of use cases, including facilitating the use of drones in forest fire rescue.



    Disclaimer: The hosts and the firms they represent may hold stakes in the companies mentioned in this podcast. None of this is financial advice.

    • 47 min
    Neil Chatterjee, CEO of Andrena and Ani Pai, Partner at Dragonfly Capital

    Neil Chatterjee, CEO of Andrena and Ani Pai, Partner at Dragonfly Capital

    Mahesh, Connor, and Sami are joined by Neil Chatterjee, CEO of Andrena and Ani Pai, Partner at Dragonfly Capital. Andrena is working to deliver affordable broadband to buildings by partnering with real estate owners and property managers through a revenue-share arrangement. They currently have 10,000 customers across 10 US states. Neil and Ani talk about the launch of DAWN - the first decentralized autonomous wireless network, how Andrena aligns incentives for both their employees and their customers to drive growth, and how they’re going to use their token to coordinate supply and demand across the entire wireless value chain, and their long-term views of the use cases of decentralized wireless.



    0:00 What are new token launches doing to Ani’s hair?

    1:12 Why is Martin Shkreli talking about Bittensor now?

    4:15 Andrena’s growth in the last 12 months

    5:27 How Andrena aligns the employee incentive with financial KPIs to drive growth

    6:44 Does Andrena consider itself a WISP or an MSP? Or something else?

    7:36 Who are Andrena’s customers and how do they fit into the broader internet provider landscape?

    9:46 How Andrena is creating a better experience for both owners and residents of multi-family living buildings

    12:16 How Andrena used customer referral incentives to bootstrap its earliest stage growth

    13:40 How the FCC releasing 1.2 gHz of spectrum in 2020 encouraged Andrena to launch a DePIN

    16:04 What is DAWN, and how does it look different from the traditional web2 internet business model?

    19:29 How will Andrena fit into DAWN’s ecosystem?

    22:41 What has Ani and Dragonfly seen over the past year as an investor of Andrena?

    25:30 What does Ani view as what Andrena is fundamentally trying to do?

    30:36 What synergies does Neil see between Andrena and other DePIN projects?

    35:20 Wen Token? And what is it going to be used for



    Disclaimer: The hosts and the firms they represent may hold stakes in the companies mentioned in this podcast. None of this is financial advice.

    • 59 min
    ETH Denver recap and DePIN outlook

    ETH Denver recap and DePIN outlook

    This week, we’re still recovering from ETH Denver. Mahesh gets Sami, Connor, and Sal to fill us in on what we missed out West, including new DePIN themes coming the rest of the year, where DePIN fits into the current wave of ATH’s and memecoins, which projects are still underhyped, and the benefits of being IRL.



    0:00 Welcome Back

    1:19 I guess we have to talk about memecoins, huh?

    5:54  Comparing ETH Denver this year vs. last year

    9:15 Why DePIN token prices don’t seem to be taking off

    16:45 Are DePIN wearables the next wave?

    19:46 Projects that are still underrated

    24:29 GPU supply shortages

    26:15 Over/Under 250 DePIN coins launching in the next 12 months?

    28:08 What did the rest of us miss at ETH Denver? 



    Disclaimer: The hosts and the firms they represent may hold stakes in the companies mentioned in this podcast. None of this is financial advice.

    • 31 min

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