What It's Like To Be You Josh Lavine
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Intimate, high resolution interviews with people of each Enneagram type and practitioners of transformative inner work. Produced by The Enneagram School & hosted by Josh Lavine. Watch on YouTube @TheEnneagramSchool.
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#34: Chanti, Enneagram 7 - Magically Enhancing My Environment, Having Fun, and Getting (Away With) What I Want [SX/SP 7w6 794]
"I think it's my purpose in life to leave an imprint on people or places I go. Maybe it's like little seeds that I plant or pixie dust I spread around and it blooms a little bit. I just love that."
Full Title: Chanti, Type 7 - Magically Enhancing My Environment, Having Fun, and Getting (Away With) What I Want
Chanti [SX/SP 7w6 794] is a fascinating and magical human being living in Belgium. We explore how how assertive Chanti can be about her priorities, the difference between frustration and attachment perspectives, and the centrality of her aesthetic impact to her identity. Enjoy. Note: I make a mistake in the first minute, calling Chanti "social first." She is sexual first.
Chanti's Links YouTube: @MOONFLOWER_asmr Insta: @moonflowerchanti
The Enneagram School https://www.theenneagramschool.com/
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
3:10 Magically enhancing the space between us
10:57 Bumping heads with 6s, being assertive about standards of art, creativity
14:12 Frustration with 6 colleague about "having to be grateful to boss" for being "allowed" to go on a trip
16:43 Chanti vs Josh's "rule-following" disposition (Frustration vs Attachment)
20: 14 "When people like me I can do whatever I want"; but when charm doesn't work, gets under my skin
26:11 Social blind 7 moment
36:05 Being low superego, story of family, brother's expectation (Frustration vs Attachment) -- low "obligation" energy
44:35 Rationalizing vs coming from sincere inner place
48:27 Chanti's values "vs" Responsibility
52:42 Other's "shoulds" about contraint, my "shoulds" about freedom
56:24 Convincing myself "why I should do something," asking for permission til I get yes (6 wing)
59:41 New nourishment -- social, listening, attunement in relationship
1:08:32 Hidden Social/Heart suffering when others don't value me for my aesthetic contributions
1:18:27 Our SO/SP 3 vs SX/SP 7 conversation dynamic
1:21:12 Chanti's ASMR
1:26:48 Not fun to be social or 6-fixed? ...
1:30:44 Outro & plugs!
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#33: Russ Hudson, Type 5: Isolation, Hyperfocus, & Escaping to Emptiness
"When we live inside a pattern, we don't know that we're living inside a pattern, which is why it's hard for people to type themselves. We just think that's reality. It's like the Johari box, there's what we don't know what we don't know. And I didn't know how desperately disconnected I was. I didn't feel as a child that was missing out on anything. I thought I was just fine. I thought watching the ants was more interesting."
Russ Hudson co-authored The Wisdom of the Enneagram and other Enneagram classics with his longtime collaborator Don Riso. He is also the Co-Founder of the Enneagram Institute and the Founding Director and former Vice President of the International Enneagram Association. Russ has appeared on Good Morning America and The CBS Morning Show and is a popular speaker at conferences and retreat centers around the world including the Esalen Institute, the Wisdom 2.0 Conference, and the Science and Non-Duality Conference (SAND).
Russ Hudson https://russhudson.com/
The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/
Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/get-typed/
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
2:52: Interview Start — Discovering I was a 5
8:41 The “Ouch” of facing my disconnection
11:03 Spending time alone in childhood, not feeling like I was missing out
14:03 Hard to feel genuine connection or belonging
16:49 Connection problem not fixable on level of personality; not "safe" around people
18:08 Russ' emotional breakthrough & receiving holding
23:35 Love present even when people are deluded or in personality
25:15 Reconciling science & religion since childhood
30:03 Mystery: why some people shrug off experiences but others are transformed -- 5 judgement of others’ valuing their ignorance
32:43 Touch overwhelming as kid — complicates romance & sex; Somatic tightness cementing social isolation
37:24 5 fear the "overwhelm of being"
40:29 Inner experience of escaping to emptiness
43:05 Mental density or emptiness polarity — penetrating into the void
47:30 The experience of discovery, illumination
50:32 The gift & danger of Russ's meticulous memory
52:48 Romance & relationships; merging with ambivalence
57:04 Unsentimental realism / non-attachment "vs" nihilism, cynicism, eject from world
1:00:27 5 Uncooperativeness “vs” flexing for relationship
1:03:51 How Russ relate to your publicness as a 5?
1:06:26 Avarice, withholding of self; withdrawal is rapid and intense
1:11:20 Growing edge: SP blindspot; keeping hope, fighting natural tendency for cynicism; "reasons to be cheerful”
1:17:40 Are you still interested in the enneagram?
1:19:36 The practical angle of creativity
1:21:55 Impractical interests
1:25:46 Plugs
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#32: Bob, Enneagram 2 — Personal Touch, Saintly Inspiration, & Having a Special Place in Others' Life
“I simply drove to this person’s house right away when I was feeling this rejection and said, listen I’m sitting outside in the car if you want to come out and talk. You know, but I didn’t go to the door and knock. I didn’t want to intrude. I want to respect his freedom. But at the same time I want to say “Hey let’s move on and see what’s happening, and if things need to shift and if I have missed some things, please.”
Bob Fecas [SO/SP 2w1 279] is a spiritual advisor, mentor, and teacher of philosophy and theology in the Atlanta area for over 25 years.
Bob’s Website https://www.bobfecas.com/
The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/
Get Officially Typed by Enneagrammer https://www.enneagrammer.com/get-typed
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:54 Losing Friends & having a "special place" others' life
5:22 Relational disappointment on 70th birthday
7:36 Response when others become “removed"; driving to their house
12:32 Hand on student's shoulder
15:05 Positive Outlook: Expecting relational patch ups
16:53 Helping to help or to feel appreciated?
19:12 Faith — human disappointments couched by a higher love
24:53 Grief & exploring the insincerity of 2
30:36 Being inspired by the Saints; goodness, giving
35:14 Being a teacher — students over content
38:30 Bob's 2-ish compliment to Josh
39:37 Bob's joi d'vivre; physical contact with all
42:15 Gift of making personal contact, even in “discipline"
44:54 Teaching philosophy, relationship with student central
47:59 Relationship as reason to live; as teacher, engaging the unengaged
54:22 The 4 types of teachers 56:38 Another compliment from Bob
57:11 Excellent 2 superego example
58:32 2s being "hypocrites," insincere; 2 image vs identity
1:00:35 Bob's humanness relative to inspiring saints
1:04:00 Owning vs avoiding negative emotions; real vs fake positivity
1:10:42 How do you know when you're spiritually bypassing
1:16:05 What's the most unhealthy you've been psychologically?
1:20:58 Parsing Crises of Meaning vs "going down the levels"
1:25:00 Emptiness underneath the image
1:29:14 Thanks & Salutations
1:31:16 Plugs
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#31 The Work of Byron Katie with Todd Smith -- How to Question Stressful Thoughts Sincerely
"I've often heard people talk about The Work of Byron Katie as the "how"... there's the "what" of spiritual development... you know freedom, what it looks like... it's described so well in terms of Essence in the Enneagram. There are many ways to talk about it in many traditions. And there are many ways in terms of the how. But Byron Katie's is such a simple and accessible how. Like, take this step, follow this step, go through these little points... and there's often some evolution happening in just 20-30 minutes."
Todd Smith is a facilitator of The Work of Byron Katie -- one of the most powerful methods of inner work I've encountered. We discuss what it is, demo it, and debrief. Enjoy.
Todd's Links
https://theworkasmeditation.com/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wiggle-room/id1612348594
The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
2:21 Overview of The Work
6:22 Starting The Work -- Josh's stressful dinner
14:21 Unpacking the stressful moment - emotional interpretation, finding the right words
17:25 Judge Your Neighbor Worksheet Line 1 (there are 6 lines total)
20:49 Line 2
22:33 Line 3
28:27 Line 4
31:32 Line 5
33:35 Line 6
37:42 The 4 Questions - "Be in that moment" as you answer
39:21 Question 1
42:44 Question 3
44:37 Catching myself "performing"
55:19 The Turnarounds
56:47 Turnaround 1
1:02:14 Turnaround 2
1:11:06 Heart Center "Image" in the work
1:14:12 Turnaround 3
1:15:36 Summary of The Work
1:20:01 The Work is top practice but resisted; attachment to suffering
1:27:02 Todd's reflection on enneagram & the work
1:31:20 The 3 Centers & The Work
1:39:07 The Work & Gendlin's Focusing (finding the right words)
1:48:34 The power of allowing the tantrum
1:47:09 The practice vs "image" of having an open mind
1:51:13 Diagnosis not same as cure
1:56:23 The Work & Adult Ego Development
2:02:44 We approach inner work in the style of our type
2:09:45 Salutations
2:12:55 Plugs
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#30: Gendlin's Focusing with Sandy Jahmi Burg -- How to Slow Down & Listen to Your Body
Sandy Jahmi Burg is a facilitator of Gendlin's Focusing -- the most powerful method of tapping into body intelligence that I've encountered. In this interview, we define it, demo it, and debrief. Enjoy.
Sandy's Website https://learnfocusing.org/
The Enneagram School https://www.theenneagramschool.com/
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
3:46 What is Focusing?
6:30 The "felt-sense" implies "life-forward" movement
10:02 The importance of being "in relationship" with the felt sense
12:13 Making an invitation as you enter a Focusing session
13:35 Demo - Lead in & invitation, creating conditions for a felt sense to arrive
18:33 Demo - The first felt sense, "taking our understanding back" to our bodies
20:08 Demo - Making contact & letting it know you hear it, "Getting into relationship"
24:06 Demo - Acknowledging & getting "bigger than"
25:37 Demo - Responding to how it sees you
28:19 Demo - It's "message" for me
32:11 Wordless metabolizing; sitting in the "solution" state, not the problem
35:00 Setting an intention vs inhabiting a way of being
38:26 What the hell just happened? - The "steps" in a Focusing Journey
39:24 The grocery store analogy; Discovering, making contact, coming into relationship, experiencing shift
49:12 The leap of faith -- acknowledging what arises as sentient entities
51:00 Parts Work & the "Self" (capital S); on being merged with a part & getting "bigger than" it
54:58 The "result" of a focusing session: before, merged; after, in relationship
59:50 The facilitator's POV: tracking, giving prompts, helping Focuser get into relationship
1:08:29 On "checking back" with the body; when something feels understood and accepted for how it is now, that's what releases it to shift
1:11:56 when something feels understood and accepted for how it is now, that's what releases it to shift
1:20:15 How to work with Sandy
1:21:59 Plugs -
#29 Yamira, Type 5: High Stakes Art, Grief & Creativity, & Crossing the Bridge to an "Other"
Yamira [SO/SX 5w4 531] is an artist in New York. Watch this interview on YouTube so you can see Yamira's art as she talks about it.
Yamira's links https://www.mossyscabs.com/ @mossyscabs @_brujaja
The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/
Get Officially Typed by Enneagrammer https://www.enneagrammer.com/get-typed
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:49 Why make art?
7:34 Grief losing whole portfolio of art (!)
10:49 What was the Grief like?
12:09 On delaying "dealing with the grief"
13:55 Facing fear and becoming a more "public" person
15:15 5 themes - cerebralizing emotions; privacy
16:50 Becoming more "public" by working at a restaurant
19:51 Wanting to be known; (re)-introducing myself through art
23:19 High stakes art has my Self in it (vs impersonal, low stakes art)
24:29 Example of "lower stakes" art
28:44 Yamira's burrowing 5 mind; getting to more clarity & precision
30:59 What did you learn about grief? -- and how that changed the art
36:13 Yamira's redemptive post-grief arc
37:35 Tattooing, want my art to help people (Though not the why)
40:16 Beauty inherently helps people
41:45 The intimacy of tattoo art; how collaborative?
46:01 Realizing it can be good to share yourself with others. "Didn't used to care about it"
51:22 Overcoming natural tendency NOT to share; childhood memories of rejection
55:49 Social life as an adult
58:55 Others as "aliens"
1:01:30 From isolation to intimacy; "can't respect everyone" (& inner critic backlash); I want to have
fun together but not be clowns
1:06:42 Merriment! - SO/SX with 1 fix - "We should be enjoying ourselves!"
1:11:06 What's this been like?
1:14:48 Plugs