Australian psychologists Amy & Hunter nerd out about all things psychology, from Star Wars to Social Anxiety.
Listen in for an independent pod with great chemistry between therapists working in oncology (Hunter) & child psychology (Amy). Each episode focuses on a psychological issue, therapy or simply provides an outlet to overanalyse our favourite tv & film characters.
62 - Schadenfreude: Is it ok to feel like this?
This week, in the wake of President Trump being diagnosed with COVID-19, the world has been going through a collective emotional experience. People who ordinarily wouldn’t relish in the misfortunes of others are feeling a pleasurable twinge of schadenfreude. We noticed people talking about how guilty they’ve felt so we wanted to pull apart this complex emotion in the two shrinks way: What is it? Why do we experience it? And is it really ok to feel like this?
As always, to wrap up we finish with Things We Came Across: why narcissists aren’t wearing masks and odd things that have happened in interviews.
We learnt about schadenfreude in:
Schadenfreude: Understanding Pleasure at the Misfortune of Others: www.cambridge.org/9781107017504
The relationship between schadenfreude & sadism: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886916300071
Schadenfreude & ingroup outgroup bias:http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~banaji/research/publications/articles/2017_Lehr_GPIR.pdf
Integrating multiple perspectives on schadenfreude: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11031-012-9331-4
Why narcissists aren’t wearing masks & how to approach them: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/narcissism-mask-covid-psychology/2020/09/25/d3de1b32-fe9c-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html
2SP on Meta - a behind the scenes interview
Amy and Hunter were excited to be on Peter Wells’ podcast Meta, a podcast about podcasts. If you are a Two Shrinks fan and want to know more about how we go about producing the show, who listens and how we got started then head over to the Meta podcast feed (link below) and tune in to hear Peter grill us and perhaps act as a bit of a therapist towards us. Peter writes for the @theage and @smh newspapers about technology and podcasts and recently started Meta, where he is interviewing podcasters about the work they do. His first episode was with the Coronacast Team, the third with none other than former Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard. So we were very pleased to be amongst such great company.
61 - Autism Spectrum Disorder
Autism, a fascinating, complex and controversial disorder. Join Amy and Hunter for an overview of Autism, or as it is currently known, Autism Spectrum Disorder. This episode should be a good one stop shop for giving you a) a description of the signs and symptoms of Autism, b) a history of how Autism and Aspergers Syndrome came to be recognised, c) a description about one of the main psychological theories to explain some of the challenges people with Autism have, and d) a discussion of myths about Autism. The episode wraps with Things We Came Across, Hunter discussing fainting in classical paintings while Amy tackles the influence of social anxiety on Pokemon Go behaviour.
This episode is pitched at a high level but should be accessible enough to learn about Autism and it is one of our longer shows because there is a lot to cover (and we didn’t even go into working with people with ASD). Autism is a really interesting topic for clinicians and students of psychology to study given it’s complexity and also the intersection of experimental social cognition research, advocacy, early intervention and the emerging neuro-divergent community and movement.
If there is anything you think we missed or would like us to cover about Autism then email us at email@example.com.
Research & information:
Autism : A New Introduction to Psychological Theory and Current Debate by Francesca Happé , and Sue Fletcher-Watson
Vaccination and Autism (it doesn’t cause Autism) : https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/vaccination-and-autism.pdfDiagnostic and Statistical Manual, 5th edn (DSM-5)
The Metamorphosis of Autism by Bonnie Evans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK436841/
TV shows & movies mentioned:
Big Bang Theory
Please Stand By
The IT crowd
Things we came across:
Fainting and painting: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0074774206740077
Personality & pokemon go: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886917307067
Mary and Max - 2SP on the School of Movies
Head over to the School of Movies podcast feed to hear Amy and Hunter join Alex and Sharon Shaw discuss and reflect on Adam Elliot’s masterpiece Mary and Max.
It is a film about a decades long friendship between an Australian girl Mary living in Melbourne, and adult Max who has Asperger’s and lives in New York. We discuss depression, Asperger’s, loneliness, and how these are portrayed in this unique stop motion movie. It’s not always an easy watch but it is an accurate depiction of these conditions and listeners interested in Asperger’s and Autism will find it rewarding.
A film about the challenges of two people understanding a chaotic and confusing world seems very 2020.
Where to find School of movies
60 - Diagnosing the Skywalkers: Mental Health in the Star Wars Universe
Presenting the definitive discussion on the mental health of the Skywalker family. Its our 60th episode and for some fun we turned our minds to analysing the characters from Star Wars.
This is an episode for psych nerds and Star Wars fans alike. It is similar to our Harry Potter episode (#41) where we diagnosed the Hogwarts teachers with personality disorders.
We discuss in turn Rey, Kylo/Ben Solo, Luke and Leia. For each we cover what their attachment style is, what early maladaptive schemas they have, and if they meet criteria for a DSM-5 diagnosis.
What does that mean in non psych speak? It means we talk at length about each character’s personality, upbringing, motivation and what problems they are experiencing.
Because Hunter is a the bigger Star Wars fan Amy quizzes him 3 times on how deep his knowledge of the Star Wars Universe actually is, with some interesting results.
The end of the show wraps up with “The Therapist Rises” a psychological/therapy interpretation of the final trilogy. If you are a psychologist or training to be one you need to listen to the last 25 mins.
Any thoughts about the show? firstname.lastname@example.org or on twitter @twoshrinkspod
May the force be with you!
Teaser: Does Anakin Skywalker have Borderline Personality Disorder?
Ahead of our 60th episode “Diagnosing the Skywalkers: Mental Health in the Star Wars Universe” we decided to give you some pre-listening (reading?) to get you ready (hey don’t judge, we did do a lot of university study). Hunter covers a series of academic articles that discuss whether Anakin Skywalker has Borderline Personality (links below). This is a snippet from our 10th episode recorded way back in 2017 before The Last Jedi was released.
If you want to know more about Borderline Personality we covered symptoms and theory in Episode #25: (listen here through the website or apple podcasts); the treatment of BPD with Dialectical Behaviour Therapy in Episode #26 (website or apple podcasts) and the impact of BPD on family members in Episode #49 (website or apple podcasts)
See you in a couple of weeks to geek out on psychology & Star Wars!
Anakin Skywalker articles :
Part one - Bui et al. (2011) - Is Anakin Skywalker Suffering From Borderline Personality Disorder?
Part two - da Rocha et al. (2012) - Revisiting the Anakin Skywalker Diagnostic: Transcending the Diagnostic Criteria
Part three - Bui & Rodgers (2012) - Response to da Rocha et al.
Part four - Tobia et al. (2015) - Darth Vulcan? In support of Anakin Skywalker suffering from borderline personality disorder.