Embodiment and Vertical Development The Developmental

In the final episode of 'The Developmental' podcast for 2023, I explore a topic that has so far received very little attention - the role of the body in adult development. My guests, Natalie Goni and Hayley Linthwaite, are both pioneer practitioners at the intersection of vertical development and somatic practices and they bring a wealth of wisdom on the value of embodiment as a vehicle for personal growth.
We explore what embodiment is (and what its opposite - disembodiment - feels like), the importance of understanding and befriending our body, the impact of ignoring physical discomfort, and the link between embodiment and leadership. We discuss the delicate topic of introducing somatic practices into leadership development programs and the untapped value for leaders and businesses.
Natalie and Hayley both offer us the gift of two very different practices - so I’m encouraging you to listen to this episode in a private space where you might be able to get up, move or sit down, relax and close your eyes.
Show summary
01:01 Understanding Embodiment and Vertical Development
01:47 Introducing the Guests: Natalie Goni and Haley Linthwaite
05:52 Exploring the Journey to Embodiment
11:26 Understanding Disembodiment
16:41 Exploring the Concept of Embodiment
19:36 The Role of Embodiment in Vertical Development
33:10 Overcoming Resistance to Embodiment in Organizations
39:41 Rediscovering Joy Through Movement
40:15 The Challenge of Breaking Free from Conditioning
40:43 Exploring Dance and Movement in Different Contexts
41:47 The Healing Power of Movement
43:05 The Role of the Body in Leadership and Decision Making
44:25 The Impact of Physical State on Leadership
47:16 The Importance of Self-Regulation and Self-Awareness
50:48 The Connection Between Body and Mind in Decision Making
51:51 The Role of Intention in Leadership
55:43 The Role of Embodiment in Vertical Development
56:40 The Power of Embodiment in Leadership
59:42 Practical Exercises for Embodiment - Hayley and Natalie’s guided experiments
01:17:03 The Importance of Presence and Aliveness
01:20:22 Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
Useful Resources
Hayley’s website: https://hayleylinthwaite.com
Natalie’s website: https://nataliegoni.com
Peter Levine (trauma therapy through somatic experiencing): https://www.somaticexperiencing.com/about-peter
Bessel van der Kolk (neuroscience and trauma):
https://www.besselvanderkolk.com
360 Emergence (transformation through movement): https://the360emergence.com
Lindsay Braman (visual art, mental health, emotional regulation):
https://lindsaybraman.com
Guests’ Bios:
Hayley Linthwaite
For over 30 years, Hayley has made it her life’s work to ignite the sparks of transformative change all over the world. An experienced facilitator, coach, consultant, social entrepreneur and educator, she has empowered countless leaders and teams, facilitated multimillion-dollar organisational change programs, founded social enterprises, and cultivated a community of changemakers. 
She bridges the latest explorations in systems change, adult development and neuroscience with the transformative power of the arts and embodiment to unlock profound shifts in individuals and systems. All of her work is propelled by her unwavering belief in our human capacity to ignite change and create abundant futures.
She holds a PhD in Transformational Change (Applied Performance), a Master of Creative Industries in Drama Teaching, a Graduate Bachelor of Education, and a Bachelor of Arts in Drama.
Natalie Goni
With over a decade of developing talent and leaders at one of the world’s largest financial institutions and as an Executive Coach and Group Facilitator for the past seven years, Natalie has not only always worked in the field of growth and people development, but she is also an avid and continued explorer of her own development journey through the lenses of adult development, embodiment and our emotions.
Based in Hong Kong, Natalie is grateful to work