Nova Conversations Laura Marsh

I'm putting myself and my thoughts out there.
Raw, unfiltered, bare.
Conservation needs to change, yes.
But also:
Our world needs to change.
Are you in?

In today’s episode, Lynn and I talk about Conservation Nation, the environmental non-governmental organization (ENGO) she runs. They have three pillars to their mission:
Expand funding to role model conservationistsEducating and inspiring a more diverse generationConvening & bringing together people from all backgrounds so we can brainstorm larger solutions together.
We also chat a LOT about money, capitalism, and how we can divert more funds to protecting our planet. Regardless of your background and experience in wildlife or environmental issues, this conversation is for you. It’s for all of us.

As Lynn says, “let’s break barriers to bring a more diverse, representative, and inclusive core of conservationists to the fight.”

**Also: I’m taking a slightly different approach with the podcast. I love talking about all things conservation and science, but I’m realizing my gifts and interests are better suited to emotionally nuanced discussions. Therefore, future episodes will focus on somewhat sensitive topics relating to mental health, addiction, depression, eco-guilt, eco-anxiety, and more.

Resources:
Conservation Nation: https://conservationnation.org/ 

The Ministry for the Future (book): https://www.amazon.com/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0316300136 

Nova Conservation Patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/novaconservation

This is probably one of the best episodes yet of Nova Conversations. When I started this podcast, this is exactly the type of discussion I wanted to have: Informative & emotionally deep discussions where we look at global conservation issues from multiple frames of reference. 

Even though Danielle’s research has focused on elephants, this episode applies to anyone hoping to make conservation a full time career. We openly discuss the pros and cons of white westerners conducting research in other countries (sometimes labeled as “parachute science”). More discussions need to be had to find solutions, but I hope this can open the door for future dialogue.

Danielle and I talk about everything that I’d hoped this podcast would be about. From trauma in elephants and conservation work, online shaming to posting on social media, underpaid work to toxic career cultures, we cover a lot in this conversation. No matter your background or culture, one thing stands out from our talk: collaborations are absolutely essential to global conservation success.

Resources:
Danielle’s blog The Call to Conserve: https://www.thecalltoconserve.com/
Join our growing Patreon Community: https://patreon.com/novaconservation
Connect with us! IG @nova_conservation, TikTok @novaconservation
Learn more about how we are using travel to give back at novaconservation.com

Dillon Jones (@dillonthebiologist) is energetic, fun, and bursting with creative ideas for making conservation better, especially through technology. We talk about everything from using ziplines to survey turtles, decentralizing traditionally bureaucratic ways of doing science, using ecotourism and travel to benefit conservation, science misinformation and handling haters and trolls, the connection with geotagging and white supremacy (jk- there is none), and a whole host of other innovative topics. I’m not sure how he does it all – there’s so much packed in here and I hope you glean something fresh and revolutionary from it! 
It’s a long one for sure but most podcast apps give you the option to speed it up, so listen to the whole thing, mmk? It’s worth it, trust me. :)
And at the very end I talk about my idea for a field biology reality show, so: Nat Geo, Animal Planet, Discovery Channel, if you’re listening, hit me up. Seriously. ;)
Resources:
Come to Belize with us! http://learnadventurously.com/belize-trip/

Applied Biodiversity Conservation Scholar (thru Texas A&M): https://absconservationscholarsprogram.wordpress.com/

Research Experience for Undergrads: https://beta.nsf.gov/funding/opportunities/research-experiences-undergraduates-reu

Join our growing Patreon Community: https://patreon.com/novaconservation
Connect with us! IG @nova_conservation, TikTok @novaconservation
Learn more about how we are using travel to give back at novaconservation.com

Welcome back to a new season! We're diving right in the deep end, guys.
We know there are organizations that exploit young biologist hopefuls and take advantage of our passion. But there are also some really good ones out there that just legitimately don't have money. It's so easy to bash organizations and say "pay your interns/volunteers better" but not provide solutions about where that money is going to come from.
In this episode, I ask:
What defines an unpaid job (that *should* be paid) versus volunteering altruistically?
Will turning down unpaid work directly help diversity, equity and inclusion in conservation careers?
Is unpaid work necessary to get a job in conservation?
What are some other ways we can look at this problem and - most importantly - find sustainable solutions?!
I also talk about being “cancelled,” listening to other points of view, public shaming, generational differences (where I confuse Gen X and Gen Z, oops), the positives and negatives with nonprofits, and I realize I'm an eco-socialist! How fun!
Resources (there are lots, sry)
Frustrated Conservationists IG: @frustratedconservationists
Animal welfare accounts: @danielle4wildlife @connie.needham @larotravels
Review conservation nonprofits & research orgs here: https://app.novaconservation.com/entity/28815b6b-d569-46dc-b8ce-fc8ba638b8f2
Conservation Nation: https://conservationnation.org/
Vercammen et al paper: https://www.jstor.org/stable/26937306?seq=5
Hidden Brain | Red Brain, Blue Brain https://www.podbean.com/ea/dir-7tjxe-6198c73
In the Grey: Public Shaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4l-tJtVzpA
Cozy Robot Show: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cozy-robot-show-formerly-ask-science-mike/id956995247

If you’ve ever wondered how and why diversity is so important in wildlife, nature, and conservation careers, you’ll love this discussion with Corina Newsome (@hood__naturalist). Corina is an awesome social and environmental justice activist who JUST YESTERDAY announced her new position as Associate Conservation Scientist at the National Wildlife Federation!! Woohoo!
In this episode you’ll learn: 
Why representation for all races, ethnicities, and backgrounds is invaluable in conservationHow to overcome barriers and dream BIGHow nonprofits like Georgia Audubon (which she used to work for) are engaging with the community to overcome racial and historical prejudices (like government land grabs in the name of “conservation”)The effectiveness of taking action locallyWhat #ShutDownSTEM isThe importance of having a mentor who understands your needsThe perspective of a black woman doing fieldwork in Southern Georgia in the era of George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery
We even get into some church-y and political talk, like how the evangelical movement needs to get on board with issues like climate change and biodiversity loss. If that’s not your thing, that’s cool, but it’s my podcast and I can talk about whatever the hell I want! (hah)
But seriously, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. It’s another deep, amazing conversation and I am SO excited to share it with you all. Enjoy!
Resources:
Corina’s website: https://corinanewsome.wixsite.com/hoodnaturalist/bio
Young Evangelicals for Climate Action: https://yecaction.org/
Brené with Ibram X. Kendion How to Be an Antiracist: https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-with-ibram-x-kendi-on-how-to-be-an-antiracist/
Nova Conservation website: http://novaconservation.com
Support us on Patreon! http://patreon.com/novaconservation
Laura's TEDx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqip9NcV2qQ