Skaana | Orcas and Oceans Podcast Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, orcas, eco-ethics and the environment.

Sea Shepherd Captain, Paul Watson (@CaptPaulWatson), talks with Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung) about Seaspiracy, life as an outlaw and as a movie star, the impact of Covid on life in the oceans and whether whales are more intelligent than we are.

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Berke Breathed's original drawing of Opus, the Penguin - used to illustrate Mark Leiren-Young’s poem Operation Dessert Storm in the Sea Shepherd newsletter.

Excerpts from Orcapedia



* Kiska: https://medium.com/skaana/kiskas-story-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-27ec43dd0a19 

* Corky 2: https://medium.com/skaana/corky-ii-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-c829a9f596e8

* Miracle: https://medium.com/skaana/miracles-story-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-f2195ef99e80



Mentioned Episodes:



* Alexandra Morton: https://www.skaana.org/alexandra-morton/

* Julia Barnes: https://www.skaana.org/bright-green-lies/



Sea Shepherd Conservation Society



* Twitter: @SeaShepherdSSCS

* Website: www.seashepherd.org

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* LinkedIn: Sea Shepherd Conservation Society



Sea Shepherd Global



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* YouTube: Sea Shepherd



Sea Shepherd Legal

Killer whales hunting on land? Josh McInnis (scientist) and Justine Buckmaster (naturalist) on their wild discovery that some Salish Sea orcas are hunting seals on the shores of Protection Island and how orcas continue to surprise us.

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Photo credits: Justine Buckmaster



 



Josh McInnes is a marine ecologist and masters candidate at the University of British Columbia's Institute for the Oceans and Fisheries Marine Mammal Research Unit. Josh grew up on Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada.  For over a decade Josh has studied the ecology and behaviour of transient (Bigg's) killer whales along the Pacific Coast, but has also traveled to remote locations off British Columbia, Washington State, Alaska, California, Australia, and Antarctica to study marine mammal populations.



Justine Buckmaster is a certified Marine Naturalist currently working at Puget Sound Express. She has been working in the Salish Sea region for over ten years as a guide and educator on whale watching ecotours. Justine works with local marine mammal researchers by providing digital photos and sightings data from her encounters to record proof of presence and unique behaviors of the marine mammal species and populations of the Salish Sea. Justine was raised in southern Washington State near the Columbia River and currently resides in the town of Mukilteo in northern Puget Sound.

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Paint the Ocean You Wish to See with Rayne Ellycrys Benu…. digital-enlightenment.net



 

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* Josh and Justine’s paper “Intentional Stranding by Mammal-Hunting Killer Whales (Orcinus orca) in the Salish Sea” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/345819912_Intentional_Stranding_by_Mammal-Hunting_Killer_Whales_Orcinus_orca_in_the_Salish_Sea 

* Marine mammal research unit: https://mmru.ubc.ca/ 

* Twitter: https://twitter.com/TKWResearch 

* Transient Killer Whale Research Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/The-Transient-Killer-Whale-Research-Project-259019844119284/ 

Eco-warrior, Alexandra Morton, on her fight to save wild salmon, being gaslit by the Canadian government and her adventures in Green politics. She also dares people to sue her over her essential new book - Not On My Watch:  How a renegade whale biologist took on governments and industry to save wild salmon.

“The salmon farming industry is harming wild salmon, is harming whales, is causing algae blooms and really needs to be controlled.”



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Significant Quotes:

“The salmon farming industry is harming wild salmon, is harming whales, is causing algae blooms and really needs to be controlled. I mean, at first I thought they just had to get off the wild salmon migration routes, but now I realize they just have to get out of the ocean completely, and if they want to continue, build a tank and get in it and operate from there.”(8:18)





"Doing all this damage was part of how they were making such a phenomenal amount of money. It’s really insidious." (12:38)





"I cannot believe I have spent my whole adult life fighting salmon farms. It just seems ridiculous. But when I look at it from a global perspective I realize I’m part of a huge army across the planet that is trying to protect life on earth." (12:55)





“When you have a corporation involved, they don't really care how many fish there are. They just want that share price to go up. And so this is deadly, because it really is a cancer model. They need to grow, they need to grow, they need to grow, with no mind to the fact that they're killing the very body that they're in, which in this case is the ocean. I mean, they're going to kill themselves off. They are killing themselves off in the process of following their business plan. It's really deranged. It doesn't make sense and it has to stop.”  (15:31)





"Nobody wants to buy fish that have killed off whales, never mind everything else." (19:00)



 



"There's nobody whose position in DFO is the health of wild salmon. There's no director of wild salmon." (24:48)





"We have the biggest salmon run in the world on the verge of extinction." (29:29)





"I saw grizzly bears that no longer looked like Grizzly bears… they were emaciated." (33:14)





"Alexandra: I have to wonder at some level in government are people saying,

Gavin Hanke Curator of Vertebrate Zoology at the Royal BC Museum (@RoyalBCMuseum) on the life, death and anatomy of Rhapsody - the skeletal star of the museum’s fantastic exhibit Orcas: Our Shared Future #RBCMOrcas - which is open until 2022 before touring the world (and was written by Skaana host, Mark Leiren-Young @leirenyoung).



Rhapsody (J32). Credit: Josh McInnes

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Significant Quotes:



* “This is a typical skeleton and it's in beautiful shape... Rhapsody here, she was in the prime of her life... She was basically perfect.” (10:09)

* "It's kind of like LEGO, but with a real, with a real animal, it was, it was a lot of fun to put one together." (12:24)

* “Anyone thinking a museum job is nine to five and you go home and forget about it, it's not the way museum work is. You're always on. You're always thinking about it and you're not. I make the joke that these things aren't getting any deader, but we don't want them to degrade. We want these specimens here for thousands of years. As long as humans exists, we want these specimens available for research and study and the older they get, the more value that the valuable they become, because you can't go back in time to collect a killer whale from 2014. This is now a time capsule. So the one neat thing about a museum is you can go back in time in a sense and handle specimens from the 1800's. Nowhere else can you do that. No one else preserves the actual physical evidence from the past. And that's the beauty of museum work." (15:41)

* “I think anyone who works at a museum also has a very supportive spouse because sometimes you come home, like, if I've been moving whales, I will come home smelling like whale fat..” (18:02)



 

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Filmmaker, Julia Barnes, on the dirty secrets of clean energy, how electric cars are running over the oceans and her new documentary Bright Green Lies – debuting online April 22 (Earth Day), 2021 https://www.brightgreenlies.com/

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Information on Julia Barnes and Deep Sea Mining



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http://www.deepseaminingoutofourdepth.org/wp-content/uploads/Nodule-Mining-in-the-Pacific-Ocean-2.pdf

https://dgrnewsservice.org/civilization/ecocide/extraction/they-want-to-mine-the-deep-sea/

* Julia Barnes Counterpunch: https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/04/09/the-environmental-impacts-of-green-technology/





Trailer for Bright Green Lies

https://vimeo.com/346171480

Timecodes



0:00- Hello from Julia Barnes

1:01- Mark’s welcome. Start of the Skaana Podcast

3:51- Start of the interview. Discussing Julia’s upcoming documentary Bright Green Lies and where the idea for the documentary came from.

6:30- About false solutions that are promoted by Bright Green Environmentalism.

7:51- About Biomass. The dangers of wood waste and clear cutting.

10:05- Solar, wind and hydro power lies

13:34- How Julia Barnes got interested in filmmaking and her connection to Rob Stewart.

20:33- About being uncomfortable in a room with David Suzuki

24:41- Deep sea mining for electric cars…. “They’re calling it the largest mining operation in history. That's about to begin. There should terrify everybody.”

37:39- “We should be furious that the movement has been so co-opted and it is at this point, a betrayal of the natural world.”

39:15- The displacement paradox

Joel Bakan, co-director of The New Corporation, on his Unfortunately Necessary Sequel, why corporations aren’t our friends and the reason corporations are considered persons, but orcas aren’t.



















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* Twitter: twitter.com/CorporationFilm

* The New Corporation: The Unfortunate Necessary Sequel : thenewcorporation.movie/ 

* Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheCorporationFilm



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Song Information



“This Note’s For You” by Neil Young

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSSvzCNBvlQ

* https://neilyoungarchives.com/



Timecodes



0:00- Intro

5:54- Where the original idea for The Corporation came from.

9:15- Why The Corporation unfortunately required a sequel 10 years later.

12:41- “This new movement on the part of corporations to be good, in the new film and in the book, we basically say that it's very similar to the charm of the psychopath. You know, the first film we show that the corporation is a psychopath. One of the points in the second film is it's found its charm.”

20:57- “We can't ignore COVID, and not only can we not ignore COVID because it is a major event. But we can't ignore COVID because it's a major event that ties into every single theme that we look at in this film, both in terms of the difficulties and challenges of corporate power, and the way it corrodes society and democracy.”

25:35- How come corporations receive personhood and animals don’t?

38:15- “What the orcas don't have is power and dominion over the human societies that do have power and dominion. In a way they're victims of colonialism, an imposition of a legal system.”

41:09- Discussing the anthropocentric qualities of the legal system and laws.

45:17- The self-governance of corporations and what that means for the environment.

50:10- “Just speaking from a personal perspective, there's really no point, in my view, in doing this kind of work if I don't have hope. I mean,