Adam Shostack: Threat Modeling, Star Wars, and Games Left to Our Own Devices

Adam is one the biggest threat modeling experts in the world, he is an advisor, a lecturer, a game designer, and the author of multiple books, including "Threat Modeling: Designing for Security".
His latest book “Threats: What Every Engineer Should Learn From Star Wars” is available now: https://www.amazon.com/Threats-Every-Engineer-Should-Learn/dp/1119895162#:~:text=In%20Threats%3A%20What%20Every%20Engineer,how%20to%20develop%20secure%20systems.
During our conversation, Adam mentioned a book by Csikszenmihality, which can be found here:
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Flow-Psychology-Engagement-Everyday-ebook/dp/B086SVQ1MJ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=132R6QL2KYRZU&keywords=finding+flow&qid=1675723854&sprefix=finding+flow%2Caps%2C166&sr=8-1
He also mentioned a book called "Don't Bother Me Mom", which can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Bother-Me-Mom-Im-Learning/dp/1557788588