Episode 5- carla joy bergman On The Joy Of Quitting and the Trust In Connection The Breakup Theory

In this episode, Shuli talks with the wonderful carla joy bergman, a transdisciplinary artist who collaborates with humans and more than human friends. she co-wrote Joyful Militancy and edited Trust Kids! She formerly made the podcast Grounded Futures with her son Uilliam, as well as the On Belonging audio series with Jamie-leigh Gonzalez.
The conversation ranges through the beginning and ending of groups and projects, the necessity of intergenerational organizing, the joys and pains of breaking up with family and loved ones, how we create space together, and the relationship between anarchism, nihilism, and the leftist movements. 
To check out more of carla’s work you can go to their website joyculcarla.com
Carla has a new podcast project about to launch, which you can find at https://walkingwithchange.captivate.fm/
Special announcement!!! 
The Breakup Theory is launching a new project, where we ask you, our listeners, to share your stories of breaking up, conflict with friends and lovers, and any other relationship trouble that you’d like feedback on. One of the main ideas of this podcast was to create a space where queers and anarchists and abolitionists can talk about how their politics and their personal lives entwine. We have set up an online submission form at https://form.jotform.com/thebreakuptheory/stories and a phone line at ‪(917) 426-6548. We will keep the submissions anonymous and won’t use any information you don’t want to share. You can leave a message or write in, and Caroline, River and Shuli will share your story on the podcast along with a discussion about the issues you raise. We are excited to hear what’s going on in your world and help you all break up with what’s limiting you!