Cold War Conversations Ian Sanders

David McKay is a former Cold War special forces officer and author of Bubbleheads, SEALs and Wizards: America's Scottish Bastion in the Cold War.
His book highlights the Scottish bases' significant role in supporting the US military over three decades.
David brings his expertise into play, examining this intriguing story by reaching out to more than one hundred veterans and expert witnesses. Their contributions reveal the personal stories of history, not high-end diplomacy.
We also delve into the espionage efforts mounted by the KGB against these bases through trawlers and agents on the ground.
Among the many stories that David details are the nuclear missile submarine operations from Holy Loch, the large radio spy stations and reveals for the first time one of America’s most bizarre intelligence gathering activities of the early Cold War.
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00:00  Introducing Cold War Conversations and David Mackay
01:54 David Mackay: From Paratrooper to Cold War Historian
05:30 The Strategic Importance of Scottish Bases in the Cold War
08:32 Project Genetrix: Balloons, Espionage, and Cold War Ingenuity
16:49 The U.S. Submarine Base in Scotland: Strategic Decisions and Local Impact
26:55 Espionage and Security: Spies, Spetsnaz, and Surveillance
33:20 The Soviet Presence in Scotland: Trawlers, Spies, and Local Encounters
41:25 Close Encounters of the Naval Kind
42:09 The Cat and Mouse of Cold War Submarines
42:53 Espionage and a High Seas Emergency
44:13 Gathering Intel
46:21 Signals Intelligence and the Scottish Connection
56:14 The Strategic Importance of Machrihanish
01:04:56 Prestwick Airport: A Cold War Crossroads
01:08:29 Reflecting on the Cuban Missile Crisis
01:11:37 Personal Anecdotes and Cold War Reflections
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Tilo offers an engaging and personal account of growing up in East Berlin before the fall of the Berlin Wall. He begins by describing his early childhood in a rundown building in Prenzlauer Berg before moving to a new prefab neighbourhood in Lichtenberg.
Tilo’s grandfather on his mother’s side was a  pastor in the Lutheran church and second in command to a Bishop at the end of his career. His grandfather on his father’s side had been a teacher and had joined the Nazi party After the World War Two he was banned from working.
Tilo’s family faced educational and career limitations due to their religious and political background compounded by the pervasive influence of the Stasi and party loyalty in determining one’s future.
Tilo  also recounts experiences of attending school with a strong military and ideological indoctrination, including paramilitary training and pressure to join the National People's Army (NVA). Despite these challenges, he  describes a vibrant underground punk scene and moments of resistance against the regime.
The story reflects on the significant socio-political changes during Tilo’s adolescence, including the impact of Chernobyl, the introduction of Glasnost, and the unexpected persistence of Nazi elements in East German society.
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00:00 Introduction to Cold War Conversations
00:35 Growing Up in East Berlin: A Personal Journey
00:48 Family Background and Political Challenges
01:17 School Life and Ideological Indoctrination
01:44 The Impact of Glasnost and Political Changes
03:30 Navigating the Complexities of East German Society
23:01 Reflections on East German Education and Military Training
25:55 Facing the Draft and the Pressure to Conform
41:37 The Punk Scene and Resistance in East Berlin
46:35 Concluding Thoughts and the Legacy of the Cold War
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Bill Woodman is a former US Navy nuclear missile submarine commander, who shares his rich experiences from joining the US Naval Academy in 1964 to commanding two SSBN submarines, the USS James Monroe and the USS Alabama during the Cold War.
Bill opens up about his initial aspirations, rigorous training at the Naval Academy, and his challenging interviews with the legendary Admiral Rickover who directed the original development of US naval nuclear propulsion and controlled its operations for three decades.
He gives detailed insights into submarine operations, leadership challenges, operational readiness exercises, and the constant concern of being detected by enemy or friendly forces.
We also delve into Bill's personal challenges and the pressures on submarine families, his final patrol commanding the USS Alabama, and reflections on movies and literature that accurately depict submarine life.
Throughout, Bill shares anecdotes illustrating the camaraderie, mental fortitude, and technical prowess required to lead in the silent, unseen world of submarine warfare.
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00:00 A Harrowing Introduction to Admiral Rickover
00:33 Joining the Cold War Underwater: Bill Woodman's Journey
02:40 The Rigorous Path to Becoming a Submariner
04:33 The interview with Admiral Rickover
11:09 From Nuclear Power School to Submarine Command
15:50 Commanding the Depths: Life as a Submarine Commander
31:37 The Psychological and Family Challenges of Submarine Life
40:27 Life Aboard a Nuclear Submarine: The Stark Realities
41:36 Routine and Readiness: The Cycle of a Submariner
43:12 Rigorous Testing: Ensuring Operational Excellence
47:22 The Unthinkable Scenario: Letters of Last Resort and Defence Conditions
49:45 Cold War Cat and Mouse: Encounters at Sea
51:04 Leadership Under Pressure: A Harrowing Rescue at Sea
01:00:46 Interactions and Exercises: Allied Navies and the Soviet Shadow
01:07:05 Reflections on Command and the Unseen Challenges of Submarine Life
01:13:59 Submarine Cinema: Authentic Portrayals and Personal Recommendations
01:15:27 Closing Thoughts and Acknowledgments
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Burt recounts the surreal experience of learning about Fisher's true identity from a newspaper headline, the subsequent FBI interrogations, and the emotional courtroom testimony where he struggled to reconcile his friendship with the stark reality of espionage.
Burt's journey leads him to Moscow in a failed attempt to reconnect with Fisher, revealing a labyrinthine world of secrets and paranoia. He shares a heartfelt letter he left for Fisher, expressing regret and longing for a simpler time when art, not intrigue, was their common ground.
As a testament to the personal connection they shared, Burt unveils a handcrafted wooden box—a wedding gift made by Fisher himself—symbolizing the genuine human connection that endured despite the shadowy world they navigated.
This episode is a poignant exploration of identity, memory, and the complex human relationships that defy the black-and-white narrative of the Cold War.
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In a riveting episode that peels back the layers of Cold War espionage, we sit down with Burt, an artist who unwittingly befriended a man better known as Colonel Abel, the infamous Bridge of Spies Spy who was exchanged for shot down US U2 pilot Gary Powers.
Burt knew Abel as Emil Goldfuss but his real name was Willie Fisher from Newcastle Upon Tyne in England. Fisher was a Soviet agent deeply embedded in the fabric of New York City's bustling art scene.
Burt's tale unfolds in a studio building exclusively for artists, where he first crossed paths with Fisher in an old-fashioned elevator—an encounter that would mark the beginning of an unexpected friendship.
Burt reminisces about their shared moments, from the peculiar request for a cup of turpentine to late-night discussions surrounded by the haze of cigarette smoke. He reflects on the nuances of their bond, the fatherly figure he saw in Fisher, and the mutual need for companionship that transcended the spy's professional obligations.
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Don’t miss part two of this amazing conversation next week…
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Valeriy was a Soviet Navy diver sapper and was born and raised in Kyiv, Ukraine. I have used a human translator for this episode so the main voice you will hear is my translator Galina Ryabova who was kindly funded by one of my financial supporters
Valeriy opens up about his childhood, the impact of the Great Patriotic War on his family, and his mother's resilience in raising him after his father's untimely death. He shares insights into his schooling, where history and geography sparked his curiosity, and his early military training which set the stage for his specialised role in the Soviet Navy.
Valeriy offers a rare glimpse into the life of a Soviet Navy diver sapper, trained in both underwater firearms and explosives, tasked with clearing mines to pave the way for naval infantry. He provides revealing insights into underwater warfare during the 1980s.
His unit was stationed near Kaliningrad, where he describes his equipment and the day-to-day life that included guarding, surveillance, and rigorous half-yearly military exercises.
Reflecting on the broader scope of the Cold War, Valeri discusses his perceptions of the US and NATO, the political climate under Gorbachev, and the aftermath of the USSR's dissolution.
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