Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next Daniel Thorson

Sofia-Jeanne and Daniel reflect on why they love the Anti-Fragile Heart Retreat.



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Daniel shares his feelings and disorientation in the aftermath of a profound experience and Jane opens up about living with a life-threatening health condition. They discuss the intensity and beauty of working with pain and facing endings. They then turn to the value of “being local” and the critical importance of bringing people together in physical space. Jane discusses her work with Imaginisma, an organization that describes itself as “a new kind of incubator for remembering, contacting, and amplifying the aliveness and grace of being human,” and the duo explores “aliveness” as a guiding principle. Themes of rediscovering simple, fundamental qualities of our humanity and rooting growth in the rich context of local relationship and “holy work” are contrasted with modern tendencies toward philosophical abstraction, reductionism, and trauma fixation. Finally, Jane and Daniel muse on the challenges and abnormalities of our era and their sense of hope for their own work and for today’s younger generations.



1:17 Daniel's experience of a profound opening through intimacy with pain

7:49 Jane's experience facing a life threatening condition

14:02 Pain, beauty, and "holy work"

19:56 The value of being local, especially as an antidote to abstraction

28:38 Relationship, love, and the power of bodies in space

33:42 Describing "holy work" and the philosophy of Jane's Imaginisma project

39:25 Searching for life purpose and "being in the house of aliveness"

45:21 How Jane's work straddles the material and the imaginal/etheric

49:31 Rediscovering life's latent magic and fundamental qualities of being human in the digital age

56:41 The orientation of Jane and Daniel's work toward inspiration and action (over philosophical abstraction)

1:01:24 Misconceptions about personal development and issues with pain and trauma fixation

1:08:50 Casual encounters with strangers

1:10:32 The abnormality of our times, the meaning of "normal," and "sewing seeds of ecstasy for the future"

1:14:47 A beautiful future beckoning in spite of a tragic world

1:19:38 Conclusion



Imaginisma

Daniel's Unfolding Coaching Offering



Civilizations never just happen. They are brought into existence quite consciously, with unbelievable compassion and determination, from another world. Then the job of people experienced in ecstasy is to prepare the soil for them; carefully sow and plant them; care for them; watch them grow." ― Peter Kingsley, A Story Waiting to Pierce You: Mongolia, Tibet and the Destiny of the Western World



Jane recommended a poem to accompany this episode, 'Taking of Emily Dickinson's Clothes'.

John Churchill joins Daniel to discuss the relationship between Attachment Theory and the process of awakening. Weaving together strands from Buddhist psychology and developmental psychology, John describes the Bodhisattva path and the development of a Planetary Dharma through the lenses of attunement and attachment. Topics covered include the development of the heart, the definition and various dimensions of attunement, and the difficulty of finding trustworthy spiritual teachers and community. John also shares theory and practice perspectives on the development of healthier attachment and offers words of encouragement for community building in difficult times.



0:00 Introduction and background for the talk

2:43 Western and Eastern Psychology and Attachment Theory

5:01  The attachment and attention systems and the sense of self

10:37 Addressing the split between the heart and the mind

16:21 Buddhist perspectives on the healing of the attachment system

21:26 Right relationship, attunement, and the dimensions of the heart

26:42 Developmental psychology and attunement

28:42 Levels of attunement and the significance of intuition

36:46 Collective psychological and structural components of attunement 

40:52 Awakening with and without the heart as a central point of focus

48:09 Discernment on the Buddhist path and a developmental model of the Bodhisattva

52:32 The significance of time in spiritual development

55:50  Finding trustworthy teachers and avenues of practice

1:04:30 Putting the difficulty of finding a reliable spiritual path in perspective

1:07:33 Theoretical perspectives and practical advice for developing healthier attachment 

1:20:23 Summarizing the development of healthy attachment and the Bodhisattva path from the perspective of attachment theory

1:23:37 Closing thoughts: Coming together and taking care of each other

Daniel and Jordan Hall discuss Jordan’s recent conversion to Christianity and the evolution of his worldview. How did a tech pioneer and futurist intellectual who would have said his chances of being baptized were “exactly zero” only five years ago become a convert? Daniel and Jordan talk about their respective “paths to humility” and the importance of religious community and traditional wisdom in the modern world.

Topics include the tension between innovation and tradition, Game A and Game B,  the search for deeply connected communities, the importance of grief, the evolution of modern Christianity, cultural attitudes towards Christianity, and the power of committing to Truth.



0-3:34 Jordan’s recent conversion to Christianity

3:35 The evolution of Jordan’s worldview and his relationship to religion since childhood

9:11 The 2008 financial crisis and the birth of “Game B”

16:55 Searching for “Civium” (seeking out a philosophically aligned community) 

23:07 Going to Black Mountain, North Carolina

31:18 Reflections on attending church and turning towards religion

42:06 Getting to humility

47:56 The importance of grief

49:54 “Religion that is not a religion” and the “Two Worlds Mythology”

53:26  Addressing the condemnation of Christianity in modern culture

1:02:57 Jordan’s thoughts on shifts in modern Christianity

1:06:36 The value of religious community and tradition in a neophilic culture

1:12:47 Committing to Truth

1:14:07 Wrap-up

After a long career using many therapeutic modalities, for more than a decade, Bob Falconer has devoted his practice exclusively to Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy. Bob has completed all levels of IFS training and continues to study with many of the senior IFS trainers. He co-authored the book Many Minds, One Self with IFS founder Richard Schwartz and has helped to train more than a thousand people in IFS. 

For the past several years, Bob has been devoted to completing the extensive research and writing of his new book, The Others Within Us, which deals with “unattached burdens,” “guides” and what has sometimes traditionally been referred to as spirit possession.

In this episode, Daniel and Bob discuss Bob’s personal trauma and the historical fight for the cultural and professional recognition of abuse, trauma and PTSD. They then delve into the history of psychotherapy and its connections to capitalism and colonialism and Bob’s perspectives on Internal Family Systems (IFS). While exploring the major themes of Bob’s book, they discuss the porous nature of mind, differing cultural models of mind, psychosis and spirit possession, Bob’s personal experiences with “the others within us,” the imaginal realm, and how Western psychology might shift from a “mono-mind” perspective to a “porous mind” one in the future.



Timestamps


03:39 Intro
05:29 Bob’s Abusive Upbringing and Early Spiritual Experiences
11:07 How Internal Family Systems Has Helped Bob Become a “Man of Joy”
13:37 The History and Evolution of Modern Cultural Conceptions of Abuse, Trauma and Mind
21:03 Competition, Capitalism and Colonialism in Psychotherapy
23:42 Internal Family Systems and Multiplicity of Mind
28:43 Bob’s Book and His Perspectives on The Porous Nature of Mind
31:48 “Something Foreign In My Mind”: The Client Who Changed Bob’s Perspective
39:09 “The Others Within Us”: The Core Claim of Bob’s Book
45:36 Generational Trauma and Different Cultural Approaches to “The Others Within Us”
49:19 How Forces Not Clearly Linked To Our Personal History Might Get Into Us
52:53 Limitations of the Western Conception of Mind and Differing Cultural Interpretations of “Psychosis”
57:39 Possible Portals To A More Widespread Recognition of The Porosity of Mind
1:00:05 Navigating The Imaginal Realm
1:03:51 How Coaches and Practitioners Can Make Space for Porosity of Mind and The Others Within Us
1:09:20 Closing





The Others Within Us