The Art of Listening Eileen Dunn

The children we once were will always stay with us. And when we drift back to treasured moments from childhood, we find that our play was a great source of growth. Games, toys, and play-pretends helped us explore the world; they taught us how to interact with others and express our ideas for the first time. In fact, playing was integral to our personal development. So why did we ever give it up? And what happens when we continue to play, as adults? Our guest Sarah Abel has dedicated her career to these questions.  
Sarah is a “reluctant adult”, a former teacher and social worker, who now works as a psychotherapist. She has spent 20 years in private practice, working with a range of patients, including children and adults. Her focus has always been to explore the dynamics of childhood development and recognize the value of play within our lives and within the therapeutic setting.
On this episode of the Art of Listening, Sarah Abel takes us on a nostalgic journey back to our childhoods. Together, we reflect on the significance of play, exploring how it shapes our understanding of the world. We discuss how our bonds with our family define how we go on to interact with the world. And we delve into the power of play to reshape who we are and express ourselves in new ways, finding that in the psychoanalytic environment, play can knock down barriers between patient and therapist, and facilitate growth.

Join us in conversation today, as we reconnect with our child-like curiosity and wonder, and learn (or re-learn) to play at every stage of life.
Chapters
1 - Stories from Sarah's early teaching and social work experiences (7:24)
2 - The use of play in the psychoanalytic setting (15:06)3 - The role of family and parents in childhood development (18:41)4 - Attachment Patterns, and the lifelong effects of childhood (25:21)5 - What Sarah has learned from play and her work with children (31:12)
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Sarah AbelEileen DunnMore from ‘The Art of Listening’ Sarah’s Book ‘Calming Story Feelings’

When you think of a familiar memory, colors, images, scents and emotions can come to mind. Our imaginations hold the ability to transform even the simplest of experiences into sensorial memories. It is this same creativity that resides at the heart of the therapeutic hour. Inside the confines of the therapy room, we possess the power to recreate images that encapsulate our inner worlds and give voice to the thoughts and emotions that accompany us day after day.

Rosa Aurora Chavez is a graduate and board-certified psychoanalyst, currently serving as a teacher and supervisor at both the Washington-Baltimore Center for Psychoanalysis and the China America Psychoanalytic Alliance. She is also an Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at George Washington University. Rosa Aurora's expertise extends beyond her clinical practice as a researcher studying creativity and the creative process, exploring its interconnection with mental health.

On this episode of the Art of Listening, Rosa Aurora shares the story of a vibrant upbringing immersed in the world of art, and how it fueled her fascination around the creative process. Through her research, she has delved into the inner workings of creativity, shedding light on what stifles its potential and, conversely, what nurtures its flourishing. In her work as an analyst, she goes on discovering the purpose and the power of creativity.  Together, we will uncover what lies at the nexus of creativity and mental health, and explore the role of imagination in the therapeutic process.

Join us as we venture into the human mind, to tap into the power of imagination and explore its potential to impact our lives.

Chapters
1 - Rosa Aurora’s upbringing and introduction to science and art
2 - Rosa Aurora’s research findings on the creative process
3 - How Rosa Aurora’s findings brought her back to analysis
4 - The use of creativity and imagery in the therapeutic setting
5 - The connection between creativity and love in Psychoanalysis

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Rosa Aurora ChavezRosa Aurora’s ResearchEileen DunnMore from ‘The Art of Listening’ 

In the hustle and bustle of our daily lives, some words of advice keep coming back around: “Look after yourself”, “self-care first”... Simple, in theory. But how do we truly prioritize our well-being? What can we do to build confidence and strength, and balance out our emotions, when life challenges us? Today’s guest has long grappled with these fundamental questions. 

Jamie Cromer Grue is a licensed clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst with over 25 years of clinical experience. She serves as an Executive Board member at the New Orleans-Birmingham Psychoanalytic Center and on the committee of the American Psychoanalytic Association. Outside of her therapeutic practice, she is also the CEO of Windows to Wisdom, a holistic wellness learning community for women.

On this episode of the Art of Listening, Jamie shares how she has embraced her intent to care in her professional and personal life. From her first steps into psychotherapy to finding a new spiritual approach to healing, Jamie has committed herself to self-care at every turn. Today, she reflects on the challenges encountered along the way and shows us how to leave a place of burnout and dissatisfaction, to find a new beginning.

Tune into Eileen and Jamie’s conversation for a true lesson in self-love, independence, and strength. 

Chapters
1 - From Business to Psychology and Psychoanalysis
2 - How to find your voice and correct past behaviors
3 - Exploring the benefits of holistic practices
3 - Aligning mind, body, and spirit: Jamie’s personal story of spiritual discovery 
5 - Committing to self-care to better heal others 

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Jamie Cromer GrueWindows to WisdomEileen DunnMore from ‘The Art of Listening’ 

Cultures are dynamic and powerful forces that shape our identities and influence our perspectives on the world. They serve as bridges, effortlessly connecting the depth of our heritage with the construction of our futures. But for Asian Americans, the balance between traditional values and modern ideals poses a distinct challenge as they strive to find their place within society.

Between visibility and invisibility, the pervasive presence of racism, the necessity for adaptation, and the negotiation between individuality and community… The Asian American experience is as complex as it is resilient. Today’s guest embodies this truth in more ways than one. 

Kris Yi, Ph.D., Psy.D. is a licensed clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst with more than 25 years of clinical experience. Throughout her career, she has dedicated her work to highlighting and raising awareness of the Asian American experience, and racial bias within psychoanalysis.  

In today’s episode, Kris invites us to step into her world. She illustrates her journey from South Korea to the United States, sharing the challenges of migration, the enduring impact of cultural trauma, and the art of finding the balance between two distinct cultures. Determined to break free from bias, Kris lends her voice to the Art of Listening, to offer a fresh and often overlooked perspective that defies stereotypes.

Join us as Kris boldly rewrites the narrative of the Asian American experience, carving out a unique space within the realm of psychoanalysis.
Chapters
1 - Juggling Korean and American cultures (4:22)
2 - Anti-Asian racism and the Model Minority myth (10:41)
3 - Kris’s experiences with Discrimination and Hypersexualisation (17:14)
4 - Historical racism in Psychoanalysis (22:41)
5 - Bringing new visibility to the Asian Perspective (26:08)
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Kris YiKris’ Journal on the Asian Perspective in PsychoanalysisEileen DunnMore from ‘The Art of Listening’ 

If you tune into this podcast every week, you know that we often start our episodes with a moment of reflection. We speak about identity, self-expression, faith, understanding, and deep moments of existential questioning.
This moment of connection is what the Art of Listening is all about. It's a collection of voices dedicated to depth talk therapy and understanding, and it will be complete in a handful of episodes. In the spirit of that, this week I would like to connect with you, listeners, to hear what you think of this podcast.
What aspects of this project stay with you, week after week? What doesn’t resonate, sometimes? What do you want more of? And as we draw this collection to a close, do you have a wish for where we should take this podcast next?
If you feel like sharing your experiences, your thoughts, or even personal stories related to this podcast, you can leave us a review, or reach out to me via email, at dreileen@eileendunnpsyd.com

Learning from your perspective is another way to celebrate the power of listening. Together, let's create even more fruitful conversations. 
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Music is an art form that connects us to others, beyond language and culture. It strikes a chord that moves us both physically and emotionally. In this sense, whether we're artists or amateurs, music can be a powerful outlet and refuge for our emotions and experiences. It holds the remarkable ability to facilitate feelings, transformation, and unity. Today's guest believes that too, and draws a parallel between music and the transformative nature of the therapeutic journey.
Paula Kliger is a clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst with 30 years of experience treating children, adults, couples, families, and groups. Her connection to music runs deep. As a young musician, she toured the world and witnessed the profound curative capabilities of music firsthand. 
On this episode of The Art of Listening, Paula takes us on a captivating journey at the nexus of music and psychoanalysis. Reflecting on the invaluable lessons from her time as a performer and writer, Paula recounts her discovery of the power of music in healing others and, in turn, healing herself. As she advanced in her analytic career, delving into group work, trauma, and disaster relief, Paula’s musical knowledge continued to inform her approach. Today, she shares how creating an atmosphere and setting the right tone allows us to create safe spaces that foster understanding.

Join us as Paula unveils her unique insights into the music of listening. 
Chapters
1 - Life-changing stories from Paula’s travels as a touring musician
2 - Music as a universal language and self-reflection practice
3 -  First professional experience in psychotherapy.
4 - Bringing her expertise to trauma and disaster work
5 - How Paula’s musical background informed her approach to group work

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Paula KligerPaula’s BookPsych AssetsEileen DunnMore from ‘The Art of Listening’