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In this episode of Talking Under Water, Duke McCall, partner in Environmental Counseling & Litigation at Morgan Lewis, discusses the 1-year anniversary of the Sackett vs. EPA ruling. The Supreme Court’s decision on Sackett v. EPA significantly altered ‘waters of the United States,’ only allowing the regulation of wetlands that are indistinguishable from a protected body of water. In this interview, McCall discusses what has happened in the year since the ruling, work that has been done since and how the ruling has impacted it and where the industry goes from here.

In this episode, hosts discuss recent industry news, including DuPont's plans to spin off into multiple companies, in which the holding company’s electronics and water divisions will split from its core industrial chemical businesses. The hosts also discuss recent State Revolving Fund support across the water sector, Sewer Overflow and Stormwater Reuse Municipal Grant funding, the 2024 hurricane season and Yute Tribe water system funding.
Show Notes:   
NOAA predicts above-normal 2024 Atlantic hurricane season
U.S. EPA announces over $2.8 million in funding for stormwater infrastructure in Region 7
From IndustryWeek: DuPont Preps Split Into Three Companies

In this episode of Talking Under Water, co-host Katie Johns interviews Roland Jones, market director for the Mid-Atlantic Region for the Clean Water Partnership and Corvias Infrastructure Solutions. The two discuss various aspects of flood control, including funding, flood mitigation challenges and implementing flood control measures.  

In this episode of Talking Under Water, we touch on recent industry news, including the looming biosolids crisis in Maine following the state's ban on land application due to biosolids. Incinerators and landfills have limited what they will accept and the only state-run landfill expects to run out of capacity by 2028. We also touch on funding for the Chesapeake Bay as well as some news about cybersecurity and infrastructure investments.
We are trying something new and separating news into its own episode, so you won’t hear an interview today. We are doing this to give us more space to discuss the news in more depth. Since it is an experiment, be sure to let us know your thoughts!

On April 10, 2024, the EPA announced the final National Primary Drinking Water Regulation (NPDWR) for six PFAS contaminants. This is the first brand new Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) set by the EPA since arsenic was updated in 2001. In this episode, four industry professionals; Miles Menyhert,  liquid phase applications engineer at Jacobi Carbons; Ken Sansone, partner at SL Environmental; Kyle Thompson, national PFAS lead at Carollo Engineers and; Tom Muilenberg, chemical engineer and the global product manager at De Nora, discuss what this means for the water industry.  
Show Notes:   
EPA designates PFOA and PFOS as hazardous substances under CERCLA
EPA announces final PFAS Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL)
Water industry responds to EPA's PFAS MCL ruling
Water Coalition Against PFAS applauds House introduction for PFAS liability

In this episode of Talking Under Water, the hosts discuss how the Water Coalition Against PFAS testified on Capitol Hill during a PFAS hearing; share news about California's Department of Water Resources completing a groundwater mapping project; and the White House’s plans to work with state administrations to address cyber risk in the water industry. Finally, this week's interview is with Andrew Ginter, vice president of industrial security for Waterfall Security Solutions. Ginter talks about cybersecurity risk and what utilities need to think about when upgrading systems to smart technology. 
Show Notes:   
Waterfall Security 2024 Threat Report 
Engineering-grade OT Security — A Manager’s Guide 
Cybersecurity for small water systems by Andrew Ginter  
Water coalition testifies before Congress on importance of PFAS exemption for utility comapnies
Timestamps:  
Host introductions | 1:05
Episode summary | 1:19
Water Coalition Against PFAS testifies in D.C.
California Department of Water Resources groundwater mapping project | 4:04
EPA invites governors to meeting about cybersecurity for water systems | 5:11
Interview begins | 6:28
WaterFall Securities Threat Report | 7:16
Cyberattacks in the water industry | 10:11
What is different now? | 11:32
What exactly is ransomware? | 15:50
Cybersecurity always carries a cost | 20:05
What poses the greatest threat to security? | 21:16
What is too risky to conduct in the cloud? | 26:13
Finding the balance between smart systems and security | 34:49
Housekeeping | 41:41