"Moment of Zen‪"‬ Turpentine

Today’s episode is a debate from Bankless on the opposing viewpoints of Effective Accelerationism (E/ACC) and Effective Altruism (EA). Hosted by Ryan Sean Adams and David Hoffman and featuring Haseeb Qureshi and our own Erik Torenberg, the podcast discusses whether AI progression should be cautiously regulated or aggressively pursued with minimal oversight.
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Recommended Podcast: Company Breakdowns
Each episode of Company Breakdowns dives into S-1s and series B-and-beyond companies, interviewing founders and investors to break down the companies. First episode is on Rubrik - which just IPO'd. Coming up this season: Databricks, Reddit + more,
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0epyYBAxLeF0PsNagdDJAJ
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/company-breakdowns/id1743119197
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Preview
(00:43) Navigating the Tech Acceleration vs. Deceleration Debate
(06:31) Exploring Effective Altruism (EA) and Its Impact on AI and Tech
(08:53) The EA Perspective: Balancing AI Risk with Technological Progress
(17:52) Sponsor: Netsuite | Beehiiv
(20:15) Effective altruists debate AI's future impact
(30:04) Navigating the Culture War: Accelerationism vs. Decelerationism
(33:48) Sponsor: Squad
(35:50) EA's Influence and the Acceleration Debate
(37:28 )AI Regulation and the Influence of Congress
(38:12) Crypto Tribes and the Impact of Social Media
(39:03) The Reality of Crypto Twitter vs. Actual Influence
(39:51) Exploring Silicon Valley's Perspective on AI and Regulation
(41:44) The OpenAI Coup: Unpacking the Real Story
(44:03) AI Safety vs Self-Regulation
(46:13) Silicon Valley in AI Development and Regulation
(59:47) The Complexities of AI Ethics and the Call for More Debate
(1:09:15) Exploring the EA Worldview and Its Misconceptions
(1:09:44) A Rational Approach to AI and Existential Risks
(1:12:04) Branding and Perception Challenges of EA
(1:12:42) EA's Beta Energy vs. Alpha Aggression
(1:13:15) Balanced Tech Ecosystem: EA and E/ACC Synergy
(1:18:26) Navigating the Political Landscape of AI and Technology
(1:31:31) The Importance of a Multi-faceted Approach to AI Regulation
(1:40:06) AI Safety, Ethics, and Accelerationism
(1:42:22) Wrap

In this episode, Mike Rainbow (co-founder of Rainbow wallet) joins Erik, Dan, and Antonio as they dive into crypto's future. The conversation was prompted by the thesis that innovative social protocols like Farcaster are co-evolving with crypto wallets as onramps or a portal to web3. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen — NetSuite has extended a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program for a few more weeks.
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🧲 Learn why Craft, Bedrock, NEA, and 100s more trust Harmonic’s data to source deals. Harmonic is the most complete startup database, finding new companies as soon as they incorporate and tracking them through IPO. Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine VC during your demo.

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LINKS:
Check out Rainbow: https://rainbow.me/en/
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Exploring Crypto's Impact on Financial Intermediaries
(01:36) Introducing Mike Rainbow: A Unique Crypto Personality
(02:09) Massachusetts Memories and Dunkin' Donuts Dominance
(02:46) East Coast Social Dynamics and Crypto Culture
(04:46) The Evolution of Wallets and Social Networks in Crypto
(06:26) Debating the Convergence of Crypto Products
(15:00) Sponsors: Netsuite | Harmonic
(17:18) Building Integrated Crypto Platforms Continued
(22:15) The Future of Messaging and Composability in Crypto
(27:30) Exploring Group Chat Dynamics and App Adoption
(28:13) The Evolution of Transaction Frames in Crypto
(30:37) Sponsor: Squad
(32:02) Innovations and Challenges in Transaction Frames
(36:29) Deep Dive into Frame Technology and Developer Challenges
(41:39) The Future of Frames and Web3 Standards
(46:51) Demographic Shifts and Future Directions for Farcaster
(53:49) Wrap

Bryan Johnson joins Antonio Garcia Martinez and Erik Torenberg on Moment of Zen to discuss the deeper spiritual beliefs behind the "Don't Die" movement in the face of AI and the inadequacy of human clock speed. They cover religions as death cults, long-termism vs engineering your own longevity, and Bryan's recent interview on Tucker Carlson.

If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen - now through April 15th NetSuite is offering a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program.

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NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen - now through April 15th NetSuite is offering a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program.

🧲 Learn why Craft, Bedrock, NEA and 100s more trust Harmonic’s data to source deals. Harmonic is the most complete startup database, finding new companies as soon as they incorporate and tracking them through IPO. Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine VC during your demo.

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LINKS:
Bryan Johnson on Tucker Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr4E0jEjQMM

Bryan Johnson's Blueprint/ Don't Die: https://protocol.bryanjohnson.com/DONT-DIE-by-Zero

Book recommendation: The Postmortal by Drew Magary https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10673576-the-postmortal
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Opening Banter
(00:19) Bryan's Tucker Carlson Interview
(01:19) Long-Termism
(02:24) The 25th Century Perspective
(07:56) Navigating the Future with AI and the Network State
(09:40) Sponsor: Netsuite | Squad
(12:11) The 'Don't Die' Philosophy and Its Implications
(15:47) The Blade Runner Fallacy
(18:39) Using Algorithms to Optimize Your Personal Life
(22:39) Redefining Civilization in the Age of AI
(25:50) On Mortality and Future Civilization
(32:22) Exploring Existential Crises and the Role of Faith
(33:45) The Identity Crisis in Modern Society
(36:08) Technology and Tradition: A Surprising Harmony
(38:04) Future of AI and Its Impact on Society
(38:56) Navigating the Unpredictable Future
(45:32) The Philosophical Debate on Existence and Survival
(1:02:14) Reimagining Human Experience in a Post-Death World
(1:04:28) Wrap

Li Jin joins Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero, and Antonio Garcia Martinez. Li is the co-founder of Variant Fund and a prolific writer. This episode dives deep into crypto, web3, memecoins, and the attention economy thesis. They cover the direction of techno-capitalism and its impact on politics, decentralization, and the cultural differences between American and European value systems. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen - now through April 15th NetSuite is offering a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program.

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NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Turpentine Finance
Host Sasha Orloff (3x Founder & CEO) is joined by top founders and finance leaders at high growth tech companies who share how they navigated huge make-or-break decisions, rode inflection points, and architected success. If you want to learn the mental models and tactics top business leaders and CFOs, subscribe below. Debut episode features Casey Woo unpacking his wild ride managing billions in budgets at WeWork – arguably one of the craziest capital stories ever.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5BflNhFxxLjqT2RA47352G
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1704418764
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LINKS:
Li Jin: https://li-jin.co/about/
Variant Fund: https://variant.fund/
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TIMESTAMPSL
(00:00) Adding Ukraine to NATO
(01:30) Peace in Ukraine?
(05:16) On the Attention Economy
(10:16) Meme Coins and Attention Valuation
(14:23) Sponsor: NetSuite | Squad
(17:38) Meme Coins Continued
(23:51) Marxism
(33:05) Exploring the Power Structure and Social Tensions
(34:10) The Managerial Elite and Bourgeoisie Capitalism
(36:12) Perspectives on Europe and Innovation
(44:16) Crypto's Role in Society: Egalitarian or Hierarchical?
(57:35) Attention Economy and Memetics
(59:28) Wrap

Curtis Yarvin returns to Moment of Zen to talk media, regime change, censorship, and the future role of platforms like X and Reddit in reputation capital structures. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen — now through April 15th NetSuite is offering a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program.
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NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than 37,000 thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and receive one-of-a-kind flexible financing program until April 15th.

💥 Access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to choosesquad.com and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.
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RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
Turpentine Finance  
Host Sasha Orloff (3x Founder & CEO) is joined by top founders and finance leaders at high growth tech companies who share how they navigated huge make-or-break decisions, rode inflection points, and architected success. If you want to learn the mental models and tactics top business leaders and CFOs, subscribe below. Debut episode features Casey Woo unpacking his wild ride managing billions in budgets at WeWork – arguably one of the craziest capital stories ever.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5BflNhFxxLjqT2RA47352G 
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1704418764
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Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836
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LINKS:
Curtis Yarvin's Writing: https://graymirror.substack.com/
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Preview
(01:54) Yarvin vs Hanania Debate
(05:19) Roadmap to Building the New Regime
(06:59) Militias and Building a New Regime Within an Existing One
(12:10) Journalism and Intelligence in Shaping Regimes
(15:00) Sponsor: Netsuite | Turpentine
(16:47) Founding State Media for the Next Regime
(23:42) Maximizing Trust and Engagement
(45:14) Elite Seduction in Media Influence
(55:21) Concept of a "Truth Machine"
(59:59) Regime Change and the Role of Media
(1:05:21) Advice to Elon Musk
(1:13:20) Reimagining Twitter's Role and Impact
(1:29:13) Authority and Power in Media
(1:38:04) Wrap

In this episode, Dan, Erik and Antonio discuss Don Lemon’s interview with Elon Musk, the Dune 2 and Napoleon releases, polyamory, the Apple antitrust case, and fatherly advice. Happy birthday Antonio! If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen -- now through April 15th NetSuite is offering a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836.
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SPONSORS: BEEHIIV | NETSUITE | SQUAD
Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox.  🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

💥 Access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to choosesquad.com and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Don Lemon's Interview with Elon Musk
(02:48) The Media Shift and the Decline of Slow Journalism
(06:37) On Public Figures and Platforms
(11:58) Fatherly Advice
(17:10) Sponsor - Netsuite | Turpentine
(24:58) Napoleon's Portrayal in Ridley Scott's Film
(34:37) Dune 2 commentary
(41:48) Who liked David Lynch's Adaptation of Dune?
(43:57) The Evolution of Movie-Going: From Digital to Analog Luxury
(45:33) Polyamory Discourse
(48:37) Microsoft, Apple, and Antitrust Laws
(56:57) The TikTok Conundrum
(1:03:31) Age, Diet, and Digital Sabbaths
(1:11:46) Aella’s Legacy: Free Speech, Polyamory, and Creator Economy
(1:14:33) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.