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Three Scorpio moon 9s come to you with insights from the astral plane to discuss dreams, the Enneagram, and the unconscious. It’s about to get creamy. Hosted by Kristen Oberly, Kaisa Jauhiainen, and Sammy Bernstein.

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Three Scorpio moon 9s come to you with insights from the astral plane to discuss dreams, the Enneagram, and the unconscious. It’s about to get creamy. Hosted by Kristen Oberly, Kaisa Jauhiainen, and Sammy Bernstein.

    43 - The Heart Center

    43 - The Heart Center

    Sammy and Kristen start diving into the heart center and contemplate what it means in the realm of dreams. We differentiate some language used for the heart center like image, shame versus guilt, and how that stems from object relations. We share a few of our own personal dreams that could be illustrating heart-centered motions between the dream ego and the ego of waking life. We’re excited to expand on all of these topics as the wisdom of our dreams begin to help us through this journey.



    Resources;

    Josh Lavine & John Luckovich’s course on the Developmental View of the Centers; https://www.theenneagramschool.com/developmental-centers

    ‘Disgust; the gateway emotion for healing toxic shame’ https://youtu.be/gKi7_rzlbBs?si=gTSm15gv2NPGHC8k

    ‘Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma’ by Peter Levine

    ‘Thought of the Heart’ essay by James Hillman

    • 51 min
    42 - Body Center Dreams

    42 - Body Center Dreams

    Sammy and Kristen continue the previous conversation by sharing their dreams that they incubated to see how the body center might be operating in their unconscious. They asked their unconscious; ‘What am I asking another to hold?’ and they received answers which they begin to break apart and understand. These dreams can show a way in which listeners can see and listen to the body center within the realm of their own dreams and processes or experiences of life. 



    Resources;

    James Hillman’s ‘Senex and Puer’ lectures

    • 42 min
    41 - Unconscious Holding & The Body Center

    41 - Unconscious Holding & The Body Center

    Sammy and Kristen talk about what object relations might be highlighting about the body center and the unconscious. We break down the previously mentioned concepts of the container, blurred boundaries, anger, unconscious identification, and how all of this could be showing up in each of the body types.



    All of the body types/centers are dissociated and confused where their boundaries really are or where they are not. With the idea of ‘holding’, both in the environment and with others, we can learn how to make more space for parts of us that are outcasted or unloved. Using dreams as a way to see where or who we’re projecting these parts of us in can be a useful way to strengthen our container and identify our true boundaries.



    Resources;

    Josh Lavine & John Luckovich’s course on the Developmental View of the Centers; https://www.theenneagramschool.com/developmental-centers

    Josh Lavine’s ‘Focusing’ podcast episode; https://open.spotify.com/episode/5RaRUam3Sd7Gjzee435fgz?si=e80963d21cdd4743

    • 51 min
    40 - The Body Center Dream Symbols

    40 - The Body Center Dream Symbols

    Kristen and Kaisa discuss possible dream symbols to track for the body center. We talk about abstract concepts such as considering the environment of a dream and the psychological processing of alchemy. More obvious symbols like fire, forges, blood, animals, and actual bodies in the dream are also talked about and explored both objectively and personally. 



    We talk a lot about our relationships to where the body’s energy may be trapped or unresolved, and what the symbols of dreams could be showing us on how to work with that and help it to actually move in a more productive and freeing way. Distinguishing these parts and beginning to separate them from the other centers or instincts can be useful when isolating work on the body center. 



    Resources;

    ‘Illustrated Encyclopedia of Traditional Symbols’ by J. C. Cooper

    ‘Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma’ by Peter Levine

    James Hillman ‘The Alchemy of Psychology’ https://livebrary.overdrive.com/media/2933560

    • 1 hr 21 min
    39 - Bitter Medicine

    39 - Bitter Medicine

    Sammy and Kristen take over the podcast conversation today to talk about their personal journeys so far on the body center. We talk about recent dream imagery, personal associations that have transformed, and discoveries we’ve had on the connections to our bodies and what’s all ‘hiding’ in this center. 



    Because of the free-flowing nature of this conversation; we also talk about families, the instincts, ‘bitter’ medicine, cognitive functions, mortality, strength, and more!



    Resources;

    ‘The Soul’s Code’ by James Hillman

    James Hillman ‘The Alchemy of Psychology’ https://livebrary.overdrive.com/media/2933560

    ‘The Tarot, A Key to the Wisdom of Ages’ by Paul Foster Case

    ‘Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma’ by Peter Levine

    • 1 hr 18 min
    38 - The Body Center & Sexuality

    38 - The Body Center & Sexuality

    We answer a listener’s question that came along in time for us to talk about the body center and how it relates to the sexual instinct and sexuality. We talk about what it means to feel attraction and desire and how that projection (like we discovered with anger) can help us develop a relationship to our bodies as the container of these experiences, and show us our path to individuation. 



    If any listeners have question or dreams, please send them to thedreamynines@gmail.com



    For personal dream work with Kristen, you can visit inkstoryrebel.com or email inkstoryrebel@gmail.com to consider available services.



    Resources;

    Marion Woodman’s books and work

    Lacan’s theory ‘There Is No Sexual Relation’ - https://www.lacan.com/symptom13/there-is.html

    Jung’s ‘Syzygy’ - https://www.psychology-lexicon.com/cms/glossary/52-glossary-s/666-syzygy.html

    James Hillman ‘The Alchemy of Psychology’ https://livebrary.overdrive.com/media/2933560

    • 48 min

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