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Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re struggling with a carousel of ineffective meetings, annual strategy sessions that go nowhere, or decision-making churn that never ceases, they’ve seen it all and are here to help. In each episode, they'll break down common workplace challenges and show you the moves—both big and small—to start making real, lasting change. (Formerly “Brave New Work” with Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans)

At Work with The Ready Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin

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Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re struggling with a carousel of ineffective meetings, annual strategy sessions that go nowhere, or decision-making churn that never ceases, they’ve seen it all and are here to help. In each episode, they'll break down common workplace challenges and show you the moves—both big and small—to start making real, lasting change. (Formerly “Brave New Work” with Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans)

    12. Breaking the Cycle of Meeting-ocrity

    12. Breaking the Cycle of Meeting-ocrity

    It seems everybody’s up in arms about meetings these days. “There’s too many! They ones we have suck! We have meetings to prepare for other meetings! They keep me from doing my actual job!” We get it, and we hear you. In fact, between BNW and our current show, we’ve devoted 9 episodes to meetings! What more could there be to say in a tenth?
    Turns out, a ton. There’s so much intertwined with modern meeting culture that we’re often doomed to failure before we even get in the room. From the trap of the status meeting to leaders hogging all the stage time, Rodney and Sam dissect where most meetings go wrong and give you the tools to rewrite the script for how to start holding meetings that matter.

    If you’re looking to make your next meeting better, make it a huddle! Learn more about how huddles can bring side-by-side collaboration and creativity to your remote teams at Slack.com.
    Interested in hearing more about the sunshine zone and the twilight zone? We’ve got stuff coming soon! Sign up here to get first access.
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    Mentioned references

    1:1 meetings: BNW Ep. 19 with Michael Bungay Stanier; AWWTR Ep. 4


    retrospective meetings: BNW Ep. 10 with Jordan Husney


    OS Coffee meetings: BNW Ep. 144


    an operating rhythm of meetings: BNW Ep. 118


    action meetings: BNW Ep. 80 with Sam Spurlin


    "RACI episode": AWWTR Ep. 10

    • 57 min
    11. The Ones Who Care The Most Will Leave You First

    11. The Ones Who Care The Most Will Leave You First

    In the nearly five years since launching this podcast, our inbox has received one type of question more than any other: “If I’m trying to change a system that just doesn’t want to change, how do I keep going? When should I admit defeat and leave?” As people who function as “professional resistance” in organizations all over the world, this questions always hits us hard—because change itself is hard and often can lead to burnout.
    So we’re finally having this conversation out in the open to tackle why the people who care the most are the ones who leave. Rodney and Sam dig into why burnout is so common among change agents, how to identify signs of meaningful progress, and when individuals and leaders should see the writing on the wall and throw in the towel.

    Oh, and we're on Instagram now! Check us out there for fun behind the scenes stuff and extra things you won't find anywhere else.

    To see the video version of this episode, head on over to Youtube.

    Mentioned references:

    "orthogonal"

    "wasta"

    "emotional labor of change": AWWTR Ep. 6


    "Sisyphean"

    "the maze and the mouse"

    "see through The Matrix"

    Mission-Based Team: FoHR Ep. 1


    "the yips"

    Rick Rubin

    EMDR Therapy

    Basecamp scandal: BNW Ep. 71



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    Read the book that started it all at bravenewwork.com.

    • 47 min
    10. RACI is The Wrong Answer To The Right Question

    10. RACI is The Wrong Answer To The Right Question

    The RACI matrix (as well its cousins DACI, DARCI, etc.) aims to neatly categorize stakeholders into roles—who’s responsible, accountable, consulted, and informed for every decision your team makes. We spend a lot of time filling out those RACI boxes, because it’s supposed to give us order and predictability—a single source of truth for all future choices.
    We’re all about achieving real clarity, but we often see RACIs treated as a one-and-done exercise, rather than something that evolves with a team. People end up in the “R” or “A” space without having the actual authority to execute a role, and then we make those roles the fall guy for a system never set up for them to succeed.
    In this episode of At Work With The Ready, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin explore the good intentions that lead us to make RACIs in the first place, where they fall flat, and why decision making is always more complicated than what can be captured on a chart.

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    Mentioned references:


    Responsibility assignment matrixes (such as RACI, DACI, and DARCI)

    DARE model

    MacGuffin

    DRI (Directly Responsible Individual)

    SPOA (Single Point of Accountability)

    "traditional consulting ep": AWWTR Ep. 8


    "future tension": BNW Ep. 16 with Thomas Thomison


    "scenario planning": BNW Ep. 34 with Kevin Kelly



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    • 49 min
    9. Ask Us Anything No. 1: You Asked, We Answered

    9. Ask Us Anything No. 1: You Asked, We Answered

    “Ask Us Anything” episodes were a Brave New Work tradition, and we knew they were going to live on in this next new chapter of the show. What we didn’t know was how much harder the questions would be this time around! Turns out, after nearly 200 shows our audience is pretty sharp and asking some very specific questions.
    On today’s episode of At Work With The Ready, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin look at what arrived in our inbox and tackle our listeners thorniest questions…and even tease a little something coming on the horizon.

    Sign up to become the first to hear when the thing Rodney teased in this episode is live!

    Check out the extended live video version of this episode on our Youtube channel or shoot us a message if you'd like a transcript.

    Questions answered in this episode:

    How do you give critical feedback without being seen as a threat?

    Any thoughts on orgs moving to eliminate excessive layers of management?

    What's a workplace project you thought would be easy but turned out to be hard, and vice versa?

    What's a starting point for orgs that want to work with someone like The Ready?

    Can you have an episode about the disconnect between senior leadership and where the work happens?


    Mentioned references:

    "high and low umbrella"

    "org debt"

    "how might we?"

    Chesterton's Fence

    Bayer's elimination of managers

    Humanocracy: BNW Ep. 47 with Michele Zanini


    Haier's elimination of managers

    The Ready's OS Canvas


    Liberating Structures: BNW Ep. 49 with Keith McCandless


    "anti-pattern"


    We’re on LinkedIn! Follow Rodney, Sam and The Ready for more org design nerdery and join the conversation around episodes after they air.
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    We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to podcast@theready.com.
    Read the book that started it all at bravenewwork.com.

    • 39 min
    8. Traditional Consulting Sold You a Great Idea. Now What?

    8. Traditional Consulting Sold You a Great Idea. Now What?

    For decades, traditional consulting (think “management” or “strategy” varieties now synonymous with the Big Three) has been a go-to move for organizations looking for a shake up. Need a bulletproof vision for the future or a new org restructuring that’ll win over the C-suite and shareholders? You can’t beat their analytical prowess, strategy design, and slick presentation.
    But too often clients wind up stuck with expensive change plans they can’t execute on their own. Without real coaching, structure, and experienced guidance, these efforts stand a high chance of fizzling out and collecting dust on a shelf. Facing that reality time and time again lead The Ready to study and understand how organizations actually work and evolve. Yes, we’re also consultants—but the processes, outcomes, and experiences we create differ greatly. And that can lead to a whole bunch of confusion.
    In this episode of At Work With The Ready, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin delve into the stark differences between traditional consulting and how future-of-work firms like The Ready operate. Because not all consulting is created equal.

    Prefer to watch instead of listen? Check out the extended video cut of this episode, with even more Rodney and Sam moments, on our Youtube channel.

    Mentioned references:

    VUCA

    "participatory change": BNW Ep. 43


    "cross-functional teaming": Future of HR Ep. 1


    "strategy pancakes episode": AWWTR Ep. 2



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    • 50 min
    7. Sync or Swim: Riding the Waves of Async Work

    7. Sync or Swim: Riding the Waves of Async Work

    For decades, face-to-face working has been the default way of working. Launching a new project; untangling an OS problem; updating a team on progress made in the last week—our classic go-to for all those different kinds of work is blocking off time on a calendar. When in doubt, just corral everybody into a room, real or virtual.
    But this “one-size-fits-all” approach is coming up short as work evolves. And while almost everyone dreads having a meeting-stuffed calendar, ideas for what to try instead can be in short supply. Plus, when 85% of leaders find it hard to trust that their employees are being productive, async work can look like a risky free-for-all.
    In this episode of At Work With The Ready, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin explore how our attachment to synchronous work is hampering performance and why asynchronous work is a mindset, not a tool stack.
    Looking for other ways to asynchronously enjoy this episode? Check out our Youtube channel for the live video version, or email podcast@theready.com to get a transcript for reading.

    Mentioned references:

    Loom

    Rodney's article on org debt: How to Tackle the Biggest Threat to Your Team's Growth


    Red, amber, green (RAG status)

    Tanisi's podcast episode: BNW Ep. 88 with Tanisi Pooran


    Miro

    Pitch

    Pomodoro method


    We’re on LinkedIn! Follow Rodney, Sam and The Ready for more org design nerdery and join the conversation around episodes after they air.
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    We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to podcast@theready.com.
    Read the book that started it all at bravenewwork.com.

    • 48 min

Customer Reviews

5.0 out of 5
165 Ratings

165 Ratings

Amanda @kochab ,

I never miss an episode

Been a fan since Brave New Work and the podcast just keeps getting better.

Sam and Rodney are doing such a great job of pulling out real workplace dilemmas that feel super timely, sharing their take on why they arise, and then offering a different take on how to address them.

My LinkedIn profile is basically becoming a love letter to this podcast.

Amanda Perkins
Kochab Advising

Team Papy ,

Click 4 Enlightenment

This is likely the best mashup podcast on organization design, change management, business agility, and work place therapy out there. If not, tell me because I’ve consumed this for 4 years running and have found significant value from it.

Why is it amazing? The hosts (Rodney and Sam) totally are master practitioners of this space. They hit a topic in such a brilliant way you wonder “do they listen when I talk to Alexa/Siri?” Beyond being in your head, they break down where you are likely getting stuck on topics and provide a way forward. They consistently offer practical experience from their end and they do so with humor. Yes, they make org design funny and enjoyable, can it get better than that? I think not.

If I didn’t have kids to feed, then I would give my excess earnings to them because they have helped me earn it.

Yes, the title is misleading but blame Apple for their poor UI on how you view reviews on your phone. I did not want to miss the chance to share this good news with you.

CarrieNCincy ,

If you ever thought there could be a better way..,,

…there is!

Sam and Rodney are a breath of fresh air for people trying to implement a human first approach to their everyday lives at work.

Hearing their thoughts and actionable insights makes me feel less alone in the world of making work a better place!

Would highly recommend!

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