Carla Lalli Music Shut Up Evan

Evan Ross Katz chats food world superstar and James Beard-winning cookbook author Carla Lalli Music to discuss her time as the first general manager of the first Shake Shack location, developing her perspective around what is "good" food, her abrupt August exit from Bon Appétit, white privilege, parenting in a pandemic, why you shouldn't buy knives online and so much more. Plus, Evan chats with Veronica Leventhal, the step-daughter of one of the Real Housewives franchises's most controversial figures about having Kelly Dodd as a stepmother.
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