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In this podcast Professor Jonah Perlin (Georgetown Law) interviews lawyers from across the profession about what they do, why they do it, and how they do it well.

How I Lawyer Podcast with Jonah Perlin Jonah Perlin

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In this podcast Professor Jonah Perlin (Georgetown Law) interviews lawyers from across the profession about what they do, why they do it, and how they do it well.

    #134: Mike Spivey - On Law School Rankings, Admissions, and Mental Health

    #134: Mike Spivey - On Law School Rankings, Admissions, and Mental Health

    Hello & Welcome Back! In today’s episode I am excited to speak with Mike Spivey who is the Founding Partner and CEO of The Spivey Consulting Group LLC and previously a senior level administrator and admissions dean at Vanderbilt University, Washington University in St. Louis, and The University of Colorado.

    Mike is an expert on law school administration and admissions and has been a featured speaker and panelist. In addition to his law school consulting work, he hosts the Status Check with Spivey Podcast. He is a graduate of Vanderbilt University from which he holds a BA and a Doctorate in Education and the University of Alabama where he earned his MBA.

    After learning a little bit about Mike, I am excited to chat with him about three topics near and dear to this podcast and its listeners: mental health, admission, and the 2024 US News rankings which are scheduled to be released very soon.

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    • 47 min
    #133: Regan Smith - Copyright Lawyer

    #133: Regan Smith - Copyright Lawyer

    In today’s episode I speak with Regan Smith, who is Senior Vice President and General Counsel at the New/Media Alliance as well as an Adjunct Professor at GW Law where she teaches copyright law. Regan is a trustee of The Copyright Society of the U.S.A and the Chair of the ABA’s Copyright Legislation Committee.

    Before joining New/Media Alliance, she worked as the Head of Public Policy in Spotify’s Government Affairs group and spent seven years working at the United States Copyright Office including three years as General Counsel of the Copyright Office and Associate Register of Copyrights. She began her career at two large law firms focused on IP litigation and transactions. Her interest in media goes way back — she even worked as a record store clerk in Ann Arbor Michigan during college.



    In this episode, Regan and Jonah discussed:



    💼 Regan's transition from entertainment business to law.

    👩‍🔬 How an unexpected foray into patent litigation led to valuable experience. [05:23]

    ⚖️ The difference between litigation and transactional work [06:32]

    🇺🇸 Government work v. private practice [15:34]

    🎧 Relationship between lawyering and business strategy in her time at Spotify [19:53]

    💻 Tensions between copyright and AI [26:29]

    ✍️ Important skills: writing, multitasking, experience, and patience [32:45]

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    • 37 min
    #132: Lawyers Behaving Badly Podcast Hosts, Karen Delaney and Jennifer Judge

    #132: Lawyers Behaving Badly Podcast Hosts, Karen Delaney and Jennifer Judge

    Welcome back to another episode of the How I Lawyer Podcast, where Professor Jonah Perlin interviews lawyers about what they do, why they do it, and how they do it well.

    This episode features the hosts of the Lawyers Behaving Badly Podcast, Karen Delaney and Jennifer Judge.  Karen is the Principal of Delaney Legal PLLC, where she serves corporate clients.  Before founding her law firm, Karen worked as in-house counsel at Half Price Books and GameStop and as an associate at a law firm in Dallas.  Jennifer is the Chief Legal Officer of Destination Pet, LLC, and before her current role, worked as a solo practitioner, General Counsel at Rug Doctor, Deputy General Counsel at Caliber Home Loans, and also as a law firm associate.

    In this episode, Karen and Jennifer share valuable insights about the legal profession including:

    ⏱️📅 How there has been a frenetic increase in the pace in which lawyers practice law, due in part to technological advancements, such as emails [7:53]

    🏠📑 How in-house lawyers’ responsibilities ranges broadly, from handling employment issues to reviewing 40+ contracts at any given time [13:16]

    👩‍💼🏢 How one difference between being an in-house counsel vs. solo practitioner is that you have experts and greater resources at your disposal as an in-house counsel, but you have to be THE expert as a solo practitioner [18:57]

    🛠️📚 How to find your niche by learning skills that are in demand in the market and by making the most of every opportunity [25:40]

    🎙️💡 How the Lawyers Behaving Badly Podcast originated by Karen and Jennifer looking for their shared interests [32:40]

    🔍💻 How Karen and Jennifer prep for their podcast episodes by researching to ensure they’re making accurate representations [36:12]

    📢🌎 How the goal of the Lawyers Behaving Badly Podcast is to create a community and bring entertainment to listeners [43:02]

    🤝🌟 How creating relationships is paramount as a lawyer and can lead to future opportunities [46:43]

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    • 51 min
    #131: Rachael Bosch – Professional Development Expert for Lawyers

    #131: Rachael Bosch – Professional Development Expert for Lawyers

    Welcome back to another episode of the How I Lawyer Podcast, where Professor Jonah Perlin interviews lawyers about what they do, why they do it, and how they do it well. 

    Today’s guest is Rachael Bosch, the CEO and Founder of Fringe Professional Development (a leading professional development provider for lawyers and executives) and Candorly (an online tool to make gathering upward feedback easy and efficient).  Before becoming a legal tech Founder, Rachael worked in recruiting and development at top law firms, including Paul Hastings and Skadden, and before that, she was a professional actress and singer.

    In this episode, Rachael shares valuable insights about the legal profession including:

    🎭⚖️ How her professional journey – from working as an actress to the legal profession – showed her that skills are transferrable between different jobs [2:04]

    📈🌟 How there is a trend toward law firms becoming much more serious about investing in professional development, coaching, recruitment, and leadership [9:18]

    🧠📚 How Rachael finds fulfillment in working with summer associates because lawyers’ brains are like sponges at that early stage in their careers [15:48]

    👍👎 How many lawyers don’t understand that some of the characteristics that make you a good lawyer can simultaneously make you a subpar leader [19:19]

    🌍💡 How Gen Z is entering the workforce and is starting to influence the profession’s culture [22:55]

    🙋‍♂️❓ How it is senior lawyers’ obligation to answer questions about culture posed by younger lawyers [26:05]

    🚦📉 How law firm leaders make choices about culture that have real consequences for their firm [33:55]

    🎯🚨 How to prepare for legal interviews by understanding what you value and by asking targeted questions designed to see whether law firms share your values [40:23]

    💬🤕 How to ask for and receive better feedback, even when it is uncomfortable [46:40]

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    • 54 min
    #130: Emily Stedman – Big Law Litigator and Lawyer Well-Being Advocate

    #130: Emily Stedman – Big Law Litigator and Lawyer Well-Being Advocate

    Welcome back to another episode of the How I Lawyer Podcast, where it is my job to interview lawyers about what they do, why they do it, and how they do it well.

    Today’s guest is Emily Stedman, a Partner at Husch Blackwell, where she helps clients resolve complex commercial litigations. Emily represents a wide range of corporate clients at all phases of litigation, from investigation to appeal, in state and federal courts. After graduating from the University of Mississippi School of Law, where she served as the Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, Emily clerked for Judge Pamela Pepper in the United States District Court and Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin. Following her clerkships, Emily worked as a commercial litigation associate at another law firm in Milwaukee before joining Husch Blackwell’s office there, where she was promoted to Partner in 2024. Online, Emily maintains an active LinkedIn presence and shares her perspective on lawyer well-being.

    In this episode, Emily shares valuable insights about the legal profession including:

    👩‍🏫 How taking two years off before law school to teach a room full of children, as part of Teach for America, helped Emily hone her time-management and public speaking skills and gave her greater real-world experience prior to starting law school [3:17]

    🌊 How making the most of her second choices and “riding the waves” of her career gave Emily opportunities leading to where she is today [8:54]

    🏛️ How the judge she interned for during her 2L year landed her a
    last-minute federal clerkship in Wisconsin that became the foundation of her legal career [10:31]

    🔀 How her day-to-day as a Big Law litigator is dynamic and ever-changing [18:02]

    👩‍⚖️ How clerking gave her the ability to know what annoys judges and their clerks, and conversely, how to effectively advocate before the court [19:44]

    🗂️ How she prepares for depositions by creating a document-driven outline [24:53]

    🎯 How she takes control of her annual billable hour requirement by tracking her daily, weekly, and monthly billing targets [30:47]

    📑 How reviewing a client bill gave her insight into billing best practices [36:46]

    🏦 How Emily made her case to become Partner at Husch Blackwell [40:54]

    🌱 How lawyers must invest in their well-being and bring humanity to their jobs [49:05]

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    • 53 min
    #129: Astor Heaven - Big Law Litigation Partner at Crowell & Moring

    #129: Astor Heaven - Big Law Litigation Partner at Crowell & Moring

    Welcome back to another episode of the How I Lawyer Podcast, where it is my job to interview lawyers about what they do, why they do it, and how they do it well.

    Today’s guest is Astor Heaven, a Partner at Crowell & Moring, where he is a trial lawyer and commercial litigator working on a range of matters, with a focus on defense industry and government contract clients.  After graduating from the United States Naval Academy, Astor served as a Surface Warfare Officer in the U.S. Navy before attending law school at American University Washington College of Law.  After graduating from law school, Astor worked as a transactional attorney at Mintz before joining Crowell & Moring’s litigation practice.

    In this episode, Astor shares valuable insights about the legal profession including:

    🏈 How discovering his personality didn't align with a sports agent role led to a rewarding shift to law.

    ⚓ How his experience serving on a Navy ship gave him the perspective to realize that law school was not the only thing that mattered in his life [6:47]

    🕒 How he effectively juggled his commitments as an evening student, in addition to working as a military recruiter and as a new father, by being deliberate with time management [9:43]

    ⚖️ How working on pro bono cases fueled Astor’s passion for being in court and led to a lateral move from a transactional practice to litigation [12:30]

    📚 How thorough research and self-advocacy are key to succeeding in law firm interviews [15:56]

    🎯 How leveraging pro bono opportunities can sharpen trial skills and clarify career goals [24:40]

    🤝 How and why to deliberately develop a sponsor relationship [28:45]

    📅 How a day in the life of a litigator combines case strategy with future client planning [32:51]

    🏛️ How trial work's fast-paced, collaborative environment is intense yet rewarding, reminiscent of the teamwork in sports [35:31]

    💡 How to demonstrate initiative by proactively bringing new ideas to the table [37:29]

    🌐 How building a network in law school lays the groundwork for future professional opportunities [41:10]

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144 Ratings

JUrteagaGalindo ,

Incredibly uplifting.

Professor Perlin is a natural interviewer. He gets people talking about their paths in a way that sounds like a coffee shop conversation rather than a podcast. The breadth of experiences he features and the depth the interviewees go make this podcast extremely beneficial for any law student or lawyer. It can be discouraging to be in professional school or after and not be absolutely certain about what you want to do. This podcast is the hug and pep talk we need and deserve.

NB2214 ,

Wonderful source of knowledge

I love this podcast! Jonah’s kindness and spot on questions help guide the discussion. And there’s a wealth of knowledge to be had here, not just for those in law school, but even beyond.

A DC Attorney ,

One of the only podcasts I listen to multiple times!

Jonah Perlin’s How I Lawyer Podcast is one of the best legal podcasts - best podcasts, period - out there.

I regularly find myself listening to episodes multiple times for the wealth of insight they provide. His broad range of guests represent all facets of the legal profession, reminding us why we joined the profession in the first place.

And Jonah is an excellent interviewer, drawing out insight from guests with his characteristic “say more about that.”

As a longtime listener and one time guest, this is the podcast I most look forward to in my feed each week!

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