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Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law's Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

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Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law's Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

    Federal Judge Turns Law School Event Into Pro Wrestling Style Spectacle

    Federal Judge Turns Law School Event Into Pro Wrestling Style Spectacle

    Also, Elon Musk really needs legal counsel.
    Judge Stuart Kyle Duncan is the latest speaker to cry foul that an audience of law students heckled him to death. He's received an apology from Stanford Law School already, but the videos released from the event and the witness accounts appear to show the judge playing the role of wrestling heel. Taking the honest if probing questions from the audience and obstinately refusing to answer to further frustrate the students. Elon Musk fired up his Twitter machine to lurch the company into a potentially massive liability before someone -- presumably a lawyer -- told him about wrongful termination. Maybe he shouldn't be too quick to ditch the requirement that he run every Tweet by a lawyer first. Finally, Merrick Garland is taking heat for the fact that it's 2023 and Donald Trump has yet to be charged for anything stemming from the Capitol riot. But Garland's right.

    • 36 min
    Federal Judge Didn't Know Handcuffing Crying Children Was Frowned Upon

    Federal Judge Didn't Know Handcuffing Crying Children Was Frowned Upon

    And a pop quiz: do you know what 'bofadeez' is?
    Judge Roger Benitez of the Southern District of California decided to use his marshal to take a 13-year-old girl out of the audience and handcuff her in the jury box. Apparently, he didn't realize arbitrary acts of psychological torture upon children was frowned upon in this establishment. Now the Ninth Circuit is looking into a formal complaint. Also, those Dr. Rick commercials scold people turning into their parents for trying to leave voicemails, but it might be worth checking to see what the voicemail greeting you set 10 years ago says. Because for one aspiring lawyer it wasn't great. Finally, the Fifth Circuit's Judge Ho thinks it's wrong to prosecute political rivals on made up charges and frighteningly he's in the minority on this question.

    • 33 min
    There's Only Loud Quitting In Law Firms

    There's Only Loud Quitting In Law Firms

    And Sidney Powell drew the judge she needed at the right time.
    It may tickle the search engine algorithms, but the phrase "quiet quitting" seems out of place among lawyers. A firm sued one of its former attorneys for "quiet quitting" on them and now she's hired Wigdor to countersue, which is about as loud as lawyers can get. Meanwhile, the Texas judge hearing the state bar's complaint against Sidney Powell was a tad too quiet with a sparse summary judgment order kicking the case citing confusion about exhibit numbering. Finally, Wikipedia tried to stand up for the Constitution... the federal government told it to sit down.

    • 32 min
    Infamy And The Billable Hour

    Infamy And The Billable Hour

    On this week's podcast, we discuss a North Dakota law firm sued its associates and won, seeking to clawback paychecks for failing to meet billing requirements during the pandemic. Wasn't there a program to protect employers from cutting salaries during the downturn, you might ask? There was! And the firm took gobs of it. Also, Clarence Thomas is likely getting a statue in his honor, because as they say in Unforgiven, "deserve's got nothing to do with it." Finally, the one simple trick to $100 million in billables that the Third Circuit doesn't want Jones Day to know about.

    • 31 min
    The ABA's Bold Stance Against Losers (Of The Civil War)

    The ABA's Bold Stance Against Losers (Of The Civil War)

    On the latest episode of Thinking Like A Lawyer, Kathryn and Chris ponder the need for a rule against Confederate flagsin courtrooms in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA the year of our Lord 2023. Speaking of bold stances on things that should be obvious, the American Bar Association would really like a Supreme Court ethics rule, but we know that's not happening. Plus if you want your full bonus this year at Perkins Coie, you're going to have to bill more hours. Which is a crappy move, but still better than the layoffs slow-moving through Biglaw.

    • 32 min
    Have You Considered Not Lying Under Oath?

    Have You Considered Not Lying Under Oath?

    Also, let's talk about Biglaw and cancel culture.
    How much continuing power should a judge have over the lives of defendants who plead guilty? A judge recently forced a woman to withdraw and apologize for statements diverting blame for an incident that she'd admitted to in court. A January 6th defendant is in hot water for the same thing. Prosecutors use overcharging and the ordeal of trial to leverage defendants into pleading guilty but a guilty plea has to mean something, doesn't it? Also, we discuss whether Biglaw has a cancel culture problem (it doesn't) and Judge Ho's case research (it's bad).

    • 40 min

Customer Reviews

3.9 out of 5
372 Ratings

372 Ratings

AppMama2 ,

Interesting sometimes too goofy

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Don’t mind the liberal leaning. Data shows the more education you have, the more likely you are to be liberal. These are folks (Americans w/post grad degrees) in the upper 15% of Americans in terms of education so it’s no surprise and representative of their status in our society.

Jlingerfelt80 ,

Not a prism

Within the description it was obvious that the only lens these people look through is the liberal progressive lens. I could only stand 15 minutes before it was too much and turned it off.

elle 5000 ,

Wish it were sharp legal analysis

I could deal with the irritating back and forth if issues and cases were presented and analyzed well, but it’s more of a muddy chat.

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