58 episodes

The format of Inside Out is simple - Jim Bennett is still on the inside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and Ian Wilks is on the outside of the Church. Yet both care about the Church and its future, and both want to see constructive dialogue between those who stay and those who leave. Hopefully, all of us can come to a better understanding of the Church and of each other. 

Inside Out with Jim Bennett and Ian Wilks Jim Bennett

    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 4.7 • 79 Ratings

The format of Inside Out is simple - Jim Bennett is still on the inside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and Ian Wilks is on the outside of the Church. Yet both care about the Church and its future, and both want to see constructive dialogue between those who stay and those who leave. Hopefully, all of us can come to a better understanding of the Church and of each other. 

    A Conversation with Nemo the Mormon

    A Conversation with Nemo the Mormon

    Ian and Jim are joined by the one and only Nemo the Mormon for a wide-ranging conversation about the state of the Church and the world at large.

    • 1 hr 24 min
    A Glimpse of the Other Side

    A Glimpse of the Other Side

    In this candid, powerful episode of Inside Out, Ian tells us where he was last week, and why the greatest health scare he's ever experienced was also the most profound spiritual experience of his life.

    • 1 hr 6 min
    Inside Out: The Musical

    Inside Out: The Musical

    With Ian under the weather, Jim taps the one and only Oprah Winfrey to co-host an exploration of his musical adventures in and out of the Church, focusing on how music can bring us all closer to the Divine. And yes, of course that's really Oprah Winfrey and not at all some weird AI digital replica.

    • 58 min
    Women in the Church

    Women in the Church

    Ian and Jim discuss General Relief Society President Camille Johnson's talk about motherhood, in which she discusses her decision to work outside the home at a time when Church leaders were condemning that decision.

    • 1 hr 10 min
    A Brother's Story

    A Brother's Story

    In this heart-wrenchingly personal episode, Ian tells the story of his relationship with his brother Paul and the moment that gave him an undeniable witness of God's love and mercy.

    • 1 hr 10 min
    A Changing Church, and a Changed Conference Talk

    A Changing Church, and a Changed Conference Talk

    Ian and Jim revisit Elder Ronald E. Poelman's infamous 1984 General Conference talk, which was altered and re-filmed after the fact. The talk serves as a model for how the Church deals with change and highlights the tension between the Church and the Gospel.

    • 1 hr 1 min

Customer Reviews

4.7 out of 5
79 Ratings

79 Ratings

ECHomey ,

Love the show

I have binge listened to your show and I am so glad I finally have found someone who thinks! I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, like Jim, and I relate to his point of view in a lot of things. There may be some disagreement, but I know how to disagree nicely. The episode that touches me is the Trump one! Finally I do not feel like the Lone Ranger and see that someone else hasn’t drank the Trump kool aide. I can’t understand how members of the church are so fooled by this guy. He is pure evil. I too have thoughts about the Roe Vs Wade issue and have pretty much been shunned in my little rural Utah community because of my position. Honestly it doesn’t differ from the church stance other than I believe in giving a woman the right to choose what happens to her body. Many people think that is against what the church teaches, but I feel like that is EXACTLY what the church teaches. I am not going to judge someone for a decision that they have to make not knowing everything that they are suffering with. I am going to give them grace and love them and mourn with them and not push my religious beliefs on someone who doesn’t believe the same way I do. I would love to hear that discussion and point of view and maybe be involved in the discussion. Ha!

Doodle2467 ,

Thank you!

My new favorite podcast! Thank you from a fellow SEM missionary going through a Faith expansion!

Thank you so much for the episode on suicide. It comes at a time I need it most. I don’t want to say more than that but thank you for helping me hold on.

Your beautiful words also help me extend grace and empathy to those who see no other way to stop their suffering.

MatthiasTheTired ,

Helps me to stay lds

I love this podcast because I find myself in the same boat as Jim. I know that changes can happen within the lds church regardless of what anyone else has to say. The conversation between these two men really gives me hope. Ian is not disagreeable even though he's left the church, he doesn't do the lazy and extreme anti-morminism as someone like John Dehlin. And Jim doesn't parrot the talking points of the most ardent church supporter. It's a balance. I hope if you are lds and unsure of whether or not you fit in that you give this podcast a listen.

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