Listening to two laymen provide a 2D caricature of the Christian theological understanding of grace was almost laughable. They seem to be highly unfamiliar with both the literature and historical tradition. Augustine, Athanasius, Basil, Chrysostom, Bernard of Clairvaux, Aquinas, Theresa of Avila, Calvin, Pascal, Edwards, Rutherford, Lewis, N.T. Wright, and so many more for 2000 years have thought and written about grace and to have these two boil it down to “it’s conditional”, is to demonstrate a profound lack of understanding of Christian theology and Christianity itself. They talk about Christian theology teaching that someone can “deserve God’s grace” or being more “worthy” or God’s grace. That maybe be colloquially used in Lisa’s Catholic context but is by definition the opposite of grace and has been declared heretical. To make matters worse, they pit Jesus against some kind of weird bastardized and simplistic version of semi-Pelagianism (a category I’m not sure they’d even be aware of). Yikes…