Making Death Plans, Petting Bunnies And The Next Thing You Know

And The Next Thing You Know podcastEpisode 003: Nannette Mickle on becoming a death doula, among other things























Nannette Mickle’s work life is a surprising and diverse series of next-things. She’s been a candy and cigarette girl, she’s worked in social services providing housing opportunities for unhoused folks. Back in the 90s, she once understudied as Bobby Brady in a notorious live show directed by Joey Soloway. And these days, she sits bedside with dying people, and helps her clients create self-actualized death plans. I wanted to talk with Nannette, because she embraces new work opportunities in her life with so much curiosity and joy, and makes plans to move on if the work fails to compel her. As a bit of a malcontent in my own work life, this conversation was a real salve.Nannette Mickle is a joyful death doula who embraces mortality as a way to fully experience life. An enthusiastic ballet aficionado and irreverent forever-goth, Nannette dreams of ways to help others navigate towards a more self-guided and actualized end-of-life.  Traveling, petting small animals, and sitting bedside with hospice patients are just a few “musts” in her life.Major themes: Becoming a death doula; David Bowie’s death; meditation; our cultural denial of and glorification of death; non-linear career paths; the Real Live Brady Bunch, “exercising yes,” or “practicing yes;” when you end up dating your housemate; making lifelong friends and community from your connection to certain workplaces; creating friend community, particularly as queer folks; finding satisfaction in work and being “entertained” by it; trading off more money for work experiences that you enjoy; pink collar jobs; creating balance between work and other aspects of our lives; creating a death plan, end of life celebrations, and legacy projects to cultivate a more meaningful death experience. References: David BowieZen Hospice Project (now called Zen Caregiving Project)Tibetan death and dying practice:https://fpmt.org/mandala/archives/older/mandala-issues-for-1997/september/how-to-benefit-the-dying-and-the-dead/On being driven by our anxiety about death, see Ernest Becker’s The Denial of Death:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denial_of_Death (groundbreaking, but certainly dated) and  Terror Management Theory:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theoryThe Peachy Puffshttps://www.peachyspuffs.com/The Real Live Brady Bunchhttps://chicagoist.com/2013/07/07/chicagoist_weekend_theater_jane_lyn.phpJoey Soloway – the creator of the Real Live Brady Bunch, and more well known as the creator of Transparent and as a writer/producer on lots of critically acclaimed TV shows. Note: Joey is nonbinary and uses “they” pronouns now, and Nannette and I were not aware of this when we recorded the show. Joey was also still going by their former name when we recorded, so we use that name in the episode. We offer our apologies to Joey for using the wrong pronoun in this episode.Jo...