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CONTENT AND TRIGGER WARNING: Discussion of physical, sexual, psychological and emotional abuse of children
This week I'm talking to Robert Bucklin, a survivor of the Agape Boarding School for Boys in Stockton Missouri. Robert's story is heartbreaking, horrifying, and infuriating. Now he's working to end the abuse at Agape Boarding School, and he's turning his trauma into fuel for the fight.

Find Robert on social media and join the fight to shut down Agape Boarding School for Boys:
On Twitter: @AgapeBoysRanch

To sign the letter to the governor to shut down Agape Boarding School for Boys: https://linktr.ee/wewarnedthem

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I had the best time talking to Dr. Janja Lalich. Janja is a researcher, author, and educator specializing in cults and extremist groups, with a particular focus on charismatic relationships, political and other social movements, ideology and social control, and issues of gender and sexuality. She has been a consultant to educational, mental health, business, media, and legal professionals, as well as having worked with current members, former members, and families of members of controversial groups. On top of all of that, she is a really good human.
Janja and I talk about the cult of enthusiastic sobriety programs, MLMs, troubled teen industry programs, and what to do after you leave. Janja has been working with cult survivors for 4 decades and she has tons of experience and tools that can help us figure out who we are when we leave these programs and how to move forward. 

More about Janja and her books here: http://www.janjalalich.com/
Courses for cult/MLM/TTI survivors: https://www.tbylr.com/
Donate to the scholarship fund for Take Back Your Life Recovery Courses here.

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This week I sit down for a delightful conversation with Danielle Bolster, Licensed Mental Health Counselor. Danielle has her own podcast, "From Huns to Humans" where she talks about the detrimental effects of multi-level marketing on mental health. We talk about toxic diet culture, the allure and danger of "supplements", and the pressure women especially are under from their "uplines".
Danielle is smart, funny, and educated on the best ways to protect your mental health as you recover from being in a high-control group. This episode will be helpful for anyone recovering from cults or coercive control groups. Enjoy!

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Meet Caroline Cole and Meg Applegate! They are survivors and  the co-CEOs of Unsilenced, a grassroots movement of survivors and advocates speaking out about institutionalized child abuse in the troubled teen industry. Bob Meehan’s enthusiastic sobriety programs are only one example of an abusive adolescent “drug abuse” program. Unsilenced is working with survivors and allies to make changes in the troubled teen industry so no one has to go through this kind of abuse ever again. In this episode we talk about their work and their new podcast, Trapped in Treatment. Listen in to learn more!

Find Caroline and Meg:
Unsilenced.org
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok: @unsilenced_now

Books and podcasts we discussed:
"Help at Any Cost" Maya Szalavitz

Amanda Nguyen
@risenow.us

Janja Lalich
"Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships"

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This week I’m talking to Jo-Anne Liakakos, MA, LPC, NCC, CPCS of Major Counseling Solutions and Consulting in Alpharetta, GA. I wanted to interview Jo-Anne since she is a therapist and counselor who works with adolescents with substance use and general life issues, as well as adults with eating and personality disorders (and a bunch of other stuff). Jo-Anne and I discuss how we met and what it was like unpacking my involvement in enthusiastic sobriety programs. I ask Jo-Anne what a licensed (not certified, licensed) counselor needs as far as education and internships and supervision to actually work with clients one-on-one (spoiler alert: it’s a lot) and what appropriate counseling and treatment look like for young people. 
This is a great episode for parents who are looking to find help for a teenager or young adult, or who are curious about whether or not to keep their child in one of Bob Meehan’s programs. 


You can find Jo-Anne by visiting her website here. 


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This week I talk to Cindy, a survivor of the Insight Program in Atlanta. A common thread of survivors of any abusive high-control group is that they continue to find themselves in abusive relationships after they leave.
Cindy wanted to tell her story to help others who may currently be in an abusive relationship or recovering from one in the past. 
‼TW/CW for discussion of psychological/emotional abuse.‼ 
There's a little bit of everything in this episode: death threats, Scientology, Nissan Sentras, and dropping out of school. This is a good one, y'all. Enjoy!‼️

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