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Ops Cast, by MarketingOps.com, is a podcast for Marketing Operations Pros by Marketing Ops Pros. Hosted by Michael Hartmann, Mike Rizzo & Naomi Liu

  1. 6d ago

    From Burnout to Entrepreneurship with Allie Widdick & Jamie Ellis

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What does it take to leave a traditional corporate career behind and build a business on your own terms? In this episode of the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting (SMTC) Podcast, hosts Courtney Makara and Grant Gregorian sit down with Allie Widdick, founder of Marteca, and Jamie Ellis, an entrepreneurship and executive coach, to explore the journey from corporate burnout to independent consulting. Allie shares how years of experience in marketing operations, combined with the challenges of burnout, inspired her to pursue freelance consulting. Jamie offers insights into the role of coaching in overcoming self-doubt, building confidence, and creating actionable plans for career transitions. In this episode, you'll discover: How Allie's experience with corporate burnout motivated her to rethink her career and pursue entrepreneurship.How aspiring consultants can address limiting beliefs, overcome self-doubt, and build confidence in their abilities.How professional coaching provides clarity, accountability, and structured guidance when transitioning into independent consulting.Why addressing practical considerations like financial security, health insurance, networking, and service offerings is essential before leaving a full-time role.How to define your expertise, communicate your value, and develop confidence when charging clients for your services. How independent consulting can provide the flexibility to pursue personal interests while building a sustainable business.Whether you're considering leaving your corporate role, exploring independent consulting, or looking for ways to overcome career challenges, this episode offers valuable insights into entrepreneurship, personal growth, and the importance of investing in yourself. Tune in to discover how the right mindset, strategic planning, and professional guidance can help turn your entrepreneurial ambitions into reality. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Streamline your webinar programs and tap into more data, more content, and far less manual work. Save time, simplify your workflow, and integrate Goldcast.io with your stack. Support the show

    From Burnout to Entrepreneurship with Allie Widdick & Jamie Ellis
  2. Oct 28

    From Second Chances to MarTech Success with Ashley Cruz

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What does it take to build a successful career in marketing technology through an unconventional path? In this episode of the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting (SMTC) Podcast, hosts Courtney Makara and Grant Gregorian sit down with Ashley Cruz, Marketing Technology Manager at Televerde, to explore her inspiring journey from incarceration to becoming a leader in the MarTech industry. Ashley shares how Televerde's career development program introduced her to marketing technology, how she taught herself platforms like Marketo and Eloqua, and how mentorship and hands-on client experience helped shape her career. In this episode, you'll discover: An Unconventional Career Journey: How Ashley transformed a challenging chapter of her life into an opportunity to build a successful career in MarTech.The Power of Mentorship: How supportive managers and industry professionals helped Ashley develop her technical expertise and confidence.Learning MarTech from Scratch: The challenges of mastering platforms like Marketo and Eloqua through self-learning, training, and real-world client experiences.The Consulting Advantage: Why working with diverse clients creates opportunities for continuous learning, creative problem-solving, and professional growth.Balancing Technology and Relationships: How combining analytical skills with strong communication helps consultants deliver meaningful results.Creating Opportunities Through Technology: How Televerde empowers incarcerated women with technical skills, career development, and pathways to employment.Whether you're an aspiring MarTech consultant, an experienced marketing operations professional, or someone considering a career change, this episode offers valuable insights into resilience, mentorship, and finding success through unexpected opportunities. Tune in to discover how curiosity, determination, and the right support can open doors to a rewarding career in MarTech. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Support the show

    From Second Chances to MarTech Success with Ashley Cruz
  3. Oct 21

    MarTech Consulting: Scope Creep, Pricing & Project Management with Kelly Jo Horton

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What are the biggest challenges of MarTech consulting, and how does working in-house compare when it comes to managing projects, stakeholders, and technology? In this episode of the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting Podcast, Courtney Makara and Grant Gregorian sit down with Kelly Jo Horton, Principal Engineer of Marketing Operations and Technology at ROOM, to discuss her extensive experience working as an independent consultant, with agencies, and in-house. The conversation also explores project-based pricing, discovery calls, agile sprint planning, and why the organizational structure of a Marketing Operations team can make a significant difference in how effectively technical work gets done. In this episode, we discuss: Kelly Jo's career across independent consulting, agency work, and in-house Marketing OperationsWhy she returned in-house to become part of a team and build technology systems over the long termThe frustrations of tracking billable hours when consulting work is spread across multiple clients and projectsWhy project-based pricing can help consultants focus on outcomes rather than individual hoursThe challenges of invoicing, collecting payments, and finding new consulting businessWhat scope creep looks like and why it can quickly turn a profitable project into an unprofitable oneHow to manage additional client requests without damaging relationshipsWhy clear statements of work (SOWs), project boundaries, and change requests are essentialThe importance of discovery calls before agreeing to a consulting engagementOne of the central themes of the conversation is the importance of managing scope and expectations. Kelly Jo explains how easy it can be for consultants to take on additional work simply because they want to help their clients. Without clear boundaries, discovery processes, and adjustments to the original SOW, those seemingly small requests can accumulate into significant unpaid work. For MarTech consultants, Marketing Operations professionals, and RevOps leaders navigating project scoping, consulting engagements, team structures, or career decisions, this episode offers practical insights into delivering better work while managing the realities of both consulting and in-house roles. If you enjoyed the episode, subscribe and rate the SMTC Podcast, and join the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting community through MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Streamline your webinar programs and tap into more data, more content, and far less manual work. Save time, simplify your workflow, and integrate Goldcast.io with your stack. Support the show

  4. Oct 14

    From In-House Marketing Ops to Independent Consulting with Carey Picklesimer

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What does it really take to leave a stable in-house Marketing Operations role, start your own consulting business, and eventually find your place at an agency? In this episode of the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting Podcast, Courtney Makara and Grant Gregorian sit down with Carey Picklesimer, Senior Consultant at Perkuto, to discuss her journey from graphic design and in-house marketing to independent MarTech consulting and agency life. Carey shares how her career evolved from graphic design into marketing automation, how working with Marketo and Salesforce shaped her passion for Marketing Operations, and why she eventually decided to leave a long-term in-house role to pursue consulting. She also offers a practical look at the financial planning, time management, client relationships, and personal considerations involved in building an independent consulting business, including how she balanced entrepreneurship with raising two young children. In this episode, we discuss: Carey's career journey from graphic design and advertising agencies to Marketing Operations and MarTech consultingHow working with Marketo and Salesforce sparked her interest in marketing automationWhy she left an in-house marketing role after nearly 12 yearsHow burnout, career growth, and family priorities influenced her decision to become an independent consultantDealing with imposter syndrome when starting a consulting businessWhy setting realistic financial expectations is important before going independentHow Carey calculated her initial consulting income target using 20 billable hours per week at $85 per hourOne of Carey's most valuable lessons is that successful consulting requires much more than technical expertise. Before going independent, she carefully considered her expenses, healthcare coverage, taxes, and realistic billable hours. Rather than assuming she would immediately have a full workload, she built her financial plan around a modest target that would allow her business to grow sustainably. For MarTech and Marketing Operations professionals considering independent consulting, transitioning into an agency, or returning to an in-house role, this episode offers practical insights into the financial, professional, and personal decisions that shape a sustainable consulting career. If you enjoyed the episode, subscribe and rate the SMTC Podcast, and join the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting community through MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Support the show

    From In-House Marketing Ops to Independent Consulting with Carey Picklesimer
  5. Oct 7

    From Agency to In-House to Independent Consulting with Nate Hall

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What does it take to move from agency consulting to in-house Marketing Operations and eventually build an independent consulting business of your own? In this episode of the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting Podcast, Courtney Makara and Grant Gregorian sit down with Nate Hall, an independent freelance Marketing Operations consultant with experience across all three sides of the profession: agency consulting, in-house Marketing Ops, and independent consulting.  Pasted markdown Nate shares how he got his start in Marketing Operations, what DigitalPi taught him about working with clients, why he moved in-house to Sift, and what eventually motivated him to go independent.  In this episode, we discuss: How Nate unexpectedly found his way into Marketing Operations after collegeStarting his career as a junior consultant at DigitalPiWhy he left agency consulting for an in-house Marketing Ops roleHow agency experience helped him treat internal stakeholders like customersThe importance of communication and a client-service mindset in Marketing OperationsWhy working in-house can give MOPS professionals more freedom to explore problems and go deeper into projectsHow great consultants can move beyond execution and challenge whether a project should be done differentlyWhen it makes sense to hire a full-time Marketing Ops employee instead of relying on outside supportOne of Nate’s biggest lessons from agency life was that the consulting mindset remains valuable even when you move in-house. Your clients may become sales, marketing, and other internal teams, but communication, responsiveness, understanding requests, and managing stakeholder relationships still matter.  Pasted markdown For Marketing Operations professionals considering agency life, an in-house role, or going independent, this episode offers a practical look at what each path can teach you and what it really takes to make the transition into consulting. If you enjoyed the episode, subscribe and rate the SMTC Podcast, and join the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting community through MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Support the show

  6. Sep 30

    From Moonlighting to MarTech Consulting with Alden Dale

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What is the best way to move from an in-house Marketing Operations role into consulting without immediately giving up the stability of your full-time job? In this episode of the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting Podcast, Courtney Makara and Grant Gregorian sit down with Alden Dale of Inverta to explore his journey from in-house Marketing Operations to moonlighting as a consultant, running his own independent practice, and eventually joining a larger agency.  Alden shares how his interest in marketing technology began when he built his own automated email tool before discovering Eloqua, and how growing his Marketo expertise eventually created opportunities to take on consulting projects during nights and weekends. In this episode, we discuss: How Alden discovered Marketing Operations through Eloqua and marketing automationStarting a consulting side business while maintaining a full-time jobWhy getting your employer’s permission before moonlighting can be importantHow Alden incorporated his ability to consult on the side into negotiations for his next roleManaging client expectations when you are only available during evenings and weekendsThe tradeoff between limited availability and more competitive freelance pricingHow Marketo user groups, industry events, and professional relationships generated consulting opportunitiesFor MarTech and Marketing Operations professionals considering freelancing, moonlighting, independent consulting, or agency life, this episode offers a practical look at the different paths available and the tradeoffs that come with each. If you enjoyed the episode, subscribe and rate the SMTC Podcast, and join the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting community through MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Support the show

  7. Sep 23

    Consulting, Client Relationships & Career Growth with Mike Rizzo

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What does consulting teach you that working in-house cannot, and when does it make sense to leave agency life and return to an internal Marketing Operations role? In this episode of the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting Podcast, Courtney Makara and Grant Gregorian sit down with Mike Rizzo of WeWork to talk about his journey from in-house Marketing Operations to consulting at Digital Pi, then back into an internal enterprise role. Mike shares why agency life appealed to him in the first place, how working across different clients and projects changed his confidence as a consultant, and why realizing that consultants do not need to know every answer was such an important lesson.  He also reflects on the skills he developed through consulting, from project management and stakeholder communication to emotional intelligence and relationship building. In this episode, we discuss: Why Mike moved from an in-house Marketing Operations role into agency consulting The initial hesitation he felt about calling himself a consultant Why consultants do not need to know every answer to provide value How agency support helped Mike build confidence in client-facing situations What working across multiple clients taught him about common Marketing Operations challenges How consulting improved his project management, communication, and people skills Why emotional intelligence matters as much as technical expertise The difference between building a system for a client and owning that system long termMike also explains why his time in consulting became a career-changing experience. Working with different clients, teams, and business problems gave him a broader perspective that he later carried back into an internal role. For Marketing Operations professionals deciding between agency consulting, independent consulting, and in-house work, this episode offers a practical look at the benefits and tradeoffs of each path, and how moving between them can help build a stronger, more versatile career. If you enjoyed the episode, subscribe and rate the SMTC Podcast, and join the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting community through MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Streamline your webinar programs and tap into more data, more content, and far less manual work. Save time, simplify your workflow, and integrate Goldcast.io with your stack. Support the show

    Consulting, Client Relationships & Career Growth with Mike Rizzo
  8. Sep 16

    Really Listen To Your Customers with Andrea Lechner-Becker, CMO at LeadMD

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What happens when a career in sports marketing leads to marketing automation, consulting, and eventually the CMO seat? In this episode of the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting Podcast, Courtney Makara and Grant Gregorian sit down with Andrea Lechner-Becker, CMO at LeadMD, to explore her journey from working with the Phoenix Suns to becoming deeply immersed in B2B marketing, marketing automation, analytics, and consulting. Andrea shares how her experience in sports entertainment shaped the way she thinks about customer psychology and measurement, and why B2B marketers need to connect marketing activity to meaningful sales outcomes. The conversation also explores the business side of consulting, including pricing expertise, packaging services, managing client expectations, and knowing when to establish clear boundaries. In this episode, we discuss:  Andrea’s journey from the Phoenix Suns into B2B marketing and marketing automation  How she developed expertise across platforms like Eloqua and Marketo  What sports marketing taught her about customer psychology and buyer behavior  Why marketing analytics should connect marketing activity with tangible sales outcomes  What B2B marketers should actually focus on when measuring performance  Why consultants should price based on expertise and value, not simply hours workedAndrea also offers an important perspective on what clients are really paying for. Consulting value is not necessarily determined by how long a task takes, but by the experience and expertise that allow a consultant to identify the right solution and deliver it effectively. For MarTech consultants, agency professionals, and marketers considering a move into consulting, this episode provides a practical look at building expertise, communicating value, navigating client relationships, and understanding the business behind the technology. If you enjoyed the episode, subscribe and rate the SMTC Podcast, and join the Society of Marketing Technology Consulting community through MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Streamline your webinar programs and tap into more data, more content, and far less manual work. Save time, simplify your workflow, and integrate Goldcast.io with your stack. Support the show

    Really Listen To Your Customers with Andrea Lechner-Becker, CMO at LeadMD
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Ops Cast, by MarketingOps.com, is a podcast for Marketing Operations Pros by Marketing Ops Pros. Hosted by Michael Hartmann, Mike Rizzo & Naomi Liu

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