1 hr 14 min
Recursing on the Discourse Mutual Understanding Podcast
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- Society & Culture
In this episode we discuss several ‘frames’ - ways of processing and orienting to information - that are appearing in public discussions around AI, and in particular reflect on how grounded they are in longstanding debates within the AI X-Risk community.
"It’s sort of like the democratic ideal where everybody's sort of out there at the public square arguing with each other, talking about the things… I don't think there are a lot taboos about what to say yet either. It hasn't gotten super corrupted.
Like it's very rare that in the real world, I'm encountering trolleys running over people right? And you can set up these fake scenarios that mess up my moral intuitions… but maybe it’s not always virtuous to endorse the repugnant conclusion that these very limited, decoupled thought experiment bring you to."
Links:
* MusicLM from Google
* TV’s War With the Robots Is Already Here (Writer’s Strike connection with AI)
* Ronny Fernandez and Robin Hanson Discuss AI Futures
* Roko and Alexandros on AI Risk
* Universal Fire
* Spandrels
Timestamps
[00:01:00] Updates on Politics
[00:07:00] The State of the AI Discourse
[00:13:00] The Yudkowskian Foomer vs Hansonian Continualist
[00:18:00] Mood Affiliations
[00:22:00] Biting Bullets vs Rejecting Fake Hypotheticals
[00:28:00] Divide between Game Theorists and Engineers
[00:36:00] The complexity of predictions about the future
[00:47:00] How similar are the values of optimizing systems?
[00:54:00] The rupture of the GMU Rationalist Alliance
[01:00:00] Public Perception that AI has Moral Weight
[01:03:00] AI Veganism/Freeganism
[01:06:00] Overton Window Shifts
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit mutualunderstanding.substack.com
In this episode we discuss several ‘frames’ - ways of processing and orienting to information - that are appearing in public discussions around AI, and in particular reflect on how grounded they are in longstanding debates within the AI X-Risk community.
"It’s sort of like the democratic ideal where everybody's sort of out there at the public square arguing with each other, talking about the things… I don't think there are a lot taboos about what to say yet either. It hasn't gotten super corrupted.
Like it's very rare that in the real world, I'm encountering trolleys running over people right? And you can set up these fake scenarios that mess up my moral intuitions… but maybe it’s not always virtuous to endorse the repugnant conclusion that these very limited, decoupled thought experiment bring you to."
Links:
* MusicLM from Google
* TV’s War With the Robots Is Already Here (Writer’s Strike connection with AI)
* Ronny Fernandez and Robin Hanson Discuss AI Futures
* Roko and Alexandros on AI Risk
* Universal Fire
* Spandrels
Timestamps
[00:01:00] Updates on Politics
[00:07:00] The State of the AI Discourse
[00:13:00] The Yudkowskian Foomer vs Hansonian Continualist
[00:18:00] Mood Affiliations
[00:22:00] Biting Bullets vs Rejecting Fake Hypotheticals
[00:28:00] Divide between Game Theorists and Engineers
[00:36:00] The complexity of predictions about the future
[00:47:00] How similar are the values of optimizing systems?
[00:54:00] The rupture of the GMU Rationalist Alliance
[01:00:00] Public Perception that AI has Moral Weight
[01:03:00] AI Veganism/Freeganism
[01:06:00] Overton Window Shifts
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit mutualunderstanding.substack.com
1 hr 14 min