100 episodes

Pace (the Dervish) is a Sufi, a Pathfinding coach, a pansexual polyamorous transgender Dance Dance Revolution (DDR) player, and an Enneagram 3.



Kyeli (the Mermaid) is a wildhearted witch, a self-love advocate, disabled, adventurous, and an Enneagram self-pres 4.



Together, we fight crime! ...as well as curiously explore how the world works, build bridges of compassion by working to understand people who are different, investigate how to be effective activists when we're both highly sensitive, and generally explore life through the lens of mystic feminist queer gamer geeks.



We live our lives wholeheartedly and we're here to help you do the same.



We publish a new episode every Thursday morning, so tune in to join us for these and all sorts of other shenanigans!



p.s. This is the podcast formerly known as Wild Crazy Meaningful Life (and also the podcast formerly known as Wild Crazy Meaningful Enneagram); listen to episode 121 to find out why.

The Dervish and the Mermai‪d‬ Pace & Kyeli

    • Spirituality
    • 4.9 • 29 Ratings

Pace (the Dervish) is a Sufi, a Pathfinding coach, a pansexual polyamorous transgender Dance Dance Revolution (DDR) player, and an Enneagram 3.



Kyeli (the Mermaid) is a wildhearted witch, a self-love advocate, disabled, adventurous, and an Enneagram self-pres 4.



Together, we fight crime! ...as well as curiously explore how the world works, build bridges of compassion by working to understand people who are different, investigate how to be effective activists when we're both highly sensitive, and generally explore life through the lens of mystic feminist queer gamer geeks.



We live our lives wholeheartedly and we're here to help you do the same.



We publish a new episode every Thursday morning, so tune in to join us for these and all sorts of other shenanigans!



p.s. This is the podcast formerly known as Wild Crazy Meaningful Life (and also the podcast formerly known as Wild Crazy Meaningful Enneagram); listen to episode 121 to find out why.

    Final episode: Pace and Kyeli’s 10 House Rules

    Final episode: Pace and Kyeli’s 10 House Rules

    Podcasting five years, it’s been swell!


    But now we are saying farewell.


    Let’s talk about why


    We’re saying goodbye


    With many more stories to tell.

    A last parting gift, our ten jewels,


    Ten easy-to-memorize tools


    For living intentionally


    And unconventionally:


    They’re what we call our House Rules.

    Pace & Kyeli’s House Rules



    * Resilience, Not Perfection

    * How About Now?

    * It’s Always OK to Ask; It’s Always OK to Say No

    * Always Mumble

    * Never Hurry

    * Never Wait

    * Just Keep Crying

    * Grown-Ass Women

    * Assume Love

    * You Are Not Alone

    * Don’t Be Creepy in the Bathroom





    * WCML 004 – Living in an Instagrammed world

    * WCML 068: Wild Crazy Meaningful Death, with Caitlin Doughty

    * WCML 107: What Kelly learned from living with us for a year (and vice versa)

    * Direct vs. subtle communication (aka ask culture vs. guess culture, low context vs. high context communication)

    * WCML 070: Wild Crazy Meaningful Day Job

    * We are selling our RV and moving to Portland. Here’s why.

    * “Be a tube, not a bucket”




    * WCML 051: Love Like You Don’t Share a Bathroom with Patty Newbold, assumelove.com

    * Why I hate compassion



    Thanks for listening to The Dervish and the Mermaid! If you miss us, you can find every episode we’ve ever recorded at PaceSmith.com.

    That’s also where you can download my free ebook, Find Your Path Now. It’ll help you stop living on autopilot and start living a wholehearted, intentional life.

    • 52 min
    What if nobody cares about my art?

    What if nobody cares about my art?

    Kyeli helps Pace deal with her attachment to other people being moved by her creation.

    Before my creation is hatched,


    I’m already hella attached.


    If nobody cares


    To sample my wares,


    My plan might as well stay unhatched.



    * bitching vs. venting

    * game jams

    * Compass Rose

    * September Safari

    * Games

    * The Usual Error

    * Time & Again

    * internal motivation vs. external motivation

    * “How do I want to feel while working on this?”

    * “How do I want to feel once I’ve released this into the world and nobody gives a shit?”



    Thanks for listening to The Dervish and the Mermaid! If you enjoyed this episode, please review us on iTunes and send your friends to PaceSmith.com.

    That’s also where you can download my free ebook, Find Your Path Now. It’ll help you stop living on autopilot and start living a wholehearted, intentional life.

    • 54 min
    Why Undertale fans are both the best and the worst fandom

    Why Undertale fans are both the best and the worst fandom

    This applies to any fandom that strongly relates to its characters. Spoiler warning for Undertale.

    To choose a new topic at random,


    Consider the Undertale fandom.


    Some say they’re the best,


    Some say they’re obsessed,


    But we want to just understand ’em.



    * What is Undertale?

    * What is a fandom?

    * Immersion, empathy, and fourth-wall-breaking in Undertale

    * Ryukahr playing Undertale

    * Is it important to respect the gender of fictional characters? Yes.

    * Gendered Tetris

    * SJWs

    * The 2 reasons Undertale fans are perceived as annoying by outsiders

    * Potterheads

    * Steven Universe fans

    * Coca-Cola fans



    Thanks for listening to The Dervish and the Mermaid! If you enjoyed this episode, please review us on iTunes and send your friends to PaceSmith.com.

    That’s also where you can download my free ebook, Find Your Path Now. It’ll help you stop living on autopilot and start living a wholehearted, intentional life.

    • 59 min
    Nobody takes you seriously if you’re 99% vegetarian

    Nobody takes you seriously if you’re 99% vegetarian

    Why is our culture obsessed with believing in some dogma and sticking to it 100% obsessively? Why doesn’t 99% count for partial credit?

    Another fine myth to debunk:


    100 percent or you flunk.


    Eat one bite of meat


    And you’re now obsolete,


    99 percent’s basically junk.



    * allergic to chocolate

    * If you’re a Quaker, you don’t have to serve in the military. But if you “just” think it’s wrong to kill people, oh well, here’s your gun. “does not include essentially political, sociological, or philosophical views, or a merely personal moral code.”

    * “I can’t go up or down steps”

    * If everyone ate 50% less meat, that would be just as good for the planet as if 50% of people became vegetarian. But this all-or-nothing mentality discourages people from even trying.



    Thanks for listening to The Dervish and the Mermaid! If you enjoyed this episode, please review us on iTunes and send your friends to PaceSmith.com.

    That’s also where you can download my free ebook, Find Your Path Now. It’ll help you stop living on autopilot and start living a wholehearted, intentional life.

    • 29 min
    Everyday philosopher

    Everyday philosopher

    You live, and you do, and you age.


    Why not go explore the backstage?


    What makes people tick?


    Is this safe to lick?


    Don’t go through the motions, engage!



    * game like a designer

    * observe without judgement

    * ask why

    * Myers-Briggs S vs. N

    * everyday philosopher

    * “I don’t know for sure, but here are my thoughts”



    Thanks for listening to The Dervish and the Mermaid! If you enjoyed this episode, please review us on iTunes and send your friends to PaceSmith.com.

    That’s also where you can download my free ebook, Find Your Path Now. It’ll help you stop living on autopilot and start living a wholehearted, intentional life.

    • 36 min
    Schrödinger’s Kitten

    Schrödinger’s Kitten

    When you’re watching a kitten be cute


    But your camera’s not all set to shoot


    By the time that you’re ready


    The cat has already


    Moved on, and so you follow suit.

    So unless one is very astute


    It is hard to get proof absolute


    Of a cute little cat.


    So why does just that


    Doom weird shit into disrepute?



    * Radical Wholeness, with Philip Shepherd

    * pseudoskepticism

    * physics envy: wanting softer sciences to be more like physics

    * Kyeli’s 7th grade science story: “You stayed open and curious!”

    * Persimmon Village

    * Staying open and curious, and modeling it for others



    Thanks for listening to The Dervish and the Mermaid! If you enjoyed this episode, please review us on iTunes and send your friends to PaceSmith.com.

    That’s also where you can download my free ebook, Find Your Path Now. It’ll help you stop living on autopilot and start living a wholehearted, intentional life.

    • 40 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
29 Ratings

29 Ratings

AGJelley ,

Love, love, love!

I just adore Pace & Kyeli -- I'm hard pressed to think of two people who are more curious, thoughtful, and heartfull in their interactions with each other and life. I always leave their episodes feeling inspired. Thanks for all you do, you two!

abird13 ,

So wonderful!

This is my new podcast obsession. I’m loving how they explore a wide range of topics through the lens of living intentionally. :)

the happy tester ,

Pace and Kyeli are awesome!

I love this podcast and its earlier incarnations, but as an Android user, was never able to leave a review. Luckily, I just got access to an iPhone, so let me tell you - this is FANTASTIC for listening while driving, listening while cooking, or listening while making art. Pace and Kyeli always have something interesting to share and a few laughs along the way. I particularly loved learning the hand gesture for "deconflate". I listen to these as they come out, but I'm pretty sure they'd make good binge listening if you want to start at the beginning. Also, the titles and show notes are great for finding the topics you love or guests you wanted to hear again.

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